Malaysia jet crashes in east Ukraine conflict zone

[bodie]

The picture of the grieving Ukrainian lady is heart-breaking.

Agreed.  She is a gem.

[sg1008]

The picture of the grieving Ukrainian lady is heart-breaking.

Agreed.  She is a gem.

I am sure the grieving Ukrainians bring much comfort to the families of the deceased. To know your loved ones are so honoured, even amidst the chaos, is a distraction from the horrid reality.

As for the villagers...I would imagine the facts are overwhelming. It is one thing living in a country which you know is politically strife....a person can adjust to the "drama" of their "laundry" because it is theirs...but it is another thing to know that your people's politics have reached out and harmed perfectly innocent, unconnected bystanders. Putting what was fckd up against a different backdrop makes it seem all the more fckd up. I have no doubt these kinds of tragedies occur among Ukrainians much more often...but it tends to get swallowed up in the rhetoric of political battles. That's just my guess...based on probability and the political response the world has received thus far.

[odeon]

So what to do about toy phones then? 

I think they'll show up as toys in the X-ray scans.

but the fake ones with bombs won't? 

That's right.

[ZEGH8578]

Yesterday I sat for like 4 consecutive hours, stoned, sleep deprived, and just-rewatched the wtc event on youtube, looked for amateur unedited footage, with all the "oh my fucking god D:" and stuff

I think an exercise like that, once every few months, is good for your health.

Think back to the ages that created us, death and destruction was something we had to deal with intimately, not just brush aside.

It's too much tho, too damn much, sometimes my mind overloads, I try to really "get there" if you will, like, okay, be that one poor schmuck in a seat ":0"
over New York
or over Donetsk
and that's it.

That was you.
And it's real, and it has all the unexpected shit, but when it happens, you know, like, eh... have you ever been knocked out cold. Remember the unexpectedness of it? The ringing in the ears, the "Bwooooooooooooooooo!!!" sound-overpowering everything, the metallic spasms in your body, whatever it was
That shit will most definitely happen, if you explode in a plane - even for just a blink

THEN!
I try, with my head, to multiply that - hey - gotta be accurate, how many were it now? 260 passengers?
Holy fuck!

One time, I was high, sleep-deprived, I heard on "air crash investigators" behind me, on tv, it was just a buzzing, I was so out of it, but I suddenly heard the voice go "and one hundred and forty passengers are dead!" and bam, for a moment I auto-visualized being mr. passenger, and all the unexpectedness hitting me like a wall, I almost fell out, I had to lean on my desk, I got all woozy, cold sweatting, ringing in my ears, had to lay there and take deep breaths :I

[ZEGH8578]

on second thought, I'm not sure how super-healthy it is, and I was going somewhere with our ancestors living through this on a more regular and intimate basis but yeah, eh, they made it here, right :M

AND dysfunctional as they were, fucking neanderthals, killing indonesian "hobbits" en masse, probably eating them, they got us here - and WE dysfunctional as WE are will get us ONWARD no goddamn matter what - WITH banking empires or without them but probably with cus we are helpless idiots like that "shiny! =D"

we ARE Mordor!
WE are "the evil locust" alien of the future, it is US! WE will come down on foreign civilizations, too ground-bound to put up any kind of resistance against our mass-multiplying rage - and not one colony mind you - no no no, OBSERVE! Everything about humanity is exponential - it's self multiplying, it is our drive!
As space-conquerers we will operate in an exponential number of exponentially growing fleets, always growing at an exponential rate! We will be dogmatic because dogma drives us! We will overconsume because it drives us! We will slow down our own development to near stagnation, because it benefits the hive to not allow for anomalies. Humanity has always detested anomalies, secretly or openly.

So there!

[Jack]

WE are "the evil locust"

[Gopher Gary]

WE are "the evil locust"

Speak for yourself. 

[odeon]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

[Gopher Gary]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

Jack and Zeg are still the evil locust. 

[ZEGH8578]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

We work better without one

Evidence: Everywhere :]

[sg1008]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

We work better without one

Evidence: Everywhere :]

Don't worry, I have a plan.

[odeon]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

We work better without one

Evidence: Everywhere :]

Actually we're just a bunch of orcs without a proper leader, too stupid to do anything but fight amongst ourselves.

[ZEGH8578]

Nah. We are not Mordor. We don't have a master plan.

We work better without one

Evidence: Everywhere :]

Actually we're just a bunch of orcs without a proper leader, too stupid to do anything but fight amongst ourselves.

If you take a moment from being so generically dystopic, look at things that actually ARE organized:

Arms sales.

Do you REALLY think that we are randomly fighting? That wars are random?
Then how come wars always hit the "hot-spots" we expect them to?
These are "playgrounds" for war-toys. Designated places to do war!

This isn't tin-foil stuff. But some parts of politics is more organized than people like to think, and they're quick to eyeroll and go "conspiracy nut", if you suggest that some things are being done on purpose.
We don't "fight over religion", some do, but usually this is just a front.

Most people could not predict the Ukraine business. BUT SOME COULD! Anyone who has actually taken up a geography article or two in their lives, and read a bit about the region, could have foreseen this happening.

I'm not gonna go deeper into the economy ring of arms industries and money lending, but what I mean by my "we are mordor" rant is

1. We are not going to "get appropriately punished" biblical style, even atheists think this stupid crap "karma lol :0" "mother earth will punish us!" no. Nobody will punish us. We will persist, and we will likely survive the earth. We allready proved we can get OFF the planet. When push comes to shove, we are going to get off it if we have to.
2. We will NEVER "learn", this is another hippie-myth even atheists sometimes subscribe to - that some sunny day, humanity will wake up "enlightened", that we "finally get it", "OH I SEE: KILLING IS BAD" We know everything we need to know, and enlightenment is _never_ coming. "How can you say for sure?" cus it's random and abstract, it's like saying "King of Cheese is coming! How do YOU know he isn't?"
3. We will never "evolve", people think evolution is - not only magic - but benevolent, sentient magic - hey - kindov like "god", how fucking convenient! Hey evolution, heed my prayers - give us bigger brains, enlightenment, and take this little-toe away, you've been promising the lack of a little-toe for the past 150 000 years.
No. The lil-toe is there to stay and stay. If you understand anything about evolution, you'll understand that the little toe will only go away IF:
a. It starts killing people dead - leaving only those who, by mutation, was born without a little toe.
b. Women stops fucking people w a little toe, because they find it unsexy, leaving women selectively fucking ONLY those who- by mutation - are born without a little toe.
Our little toe will only disappear, if all people with the genes for a little toe, are killed and their genes thus stop polluting the rest of the gene pool.
Uneducated people go "NO! You don't know ANYTHING! Evolution is good and mercyful!"

In other words

Humanity will not change, will not learn, will not stop warring
Humanity will continue fighting, not "over religion" but for money, systematic fight-for-consumption, systematic fight-for-the-sake-of-armaments-contracts, over and over and over and over, again and again and again and again. Our wars are not some random dog-fight, but they are carefully planned events.
Human life means nothing to humanity, but the illusion of "sanctity" is kept up for the sake of comfort.
Consumerism is exponential, and part of the same machine. The more colorful, the more distracting, the better - and this is only being methodically perfected - biologically perfected! There is no way "out", only a spiralling plummet deeper and deeper :]

[Gopher Gary]

Evil nihilistic locust are very poetic. 

[odeon]

Arms sales does not equal Mordor. We are like that, simple as that.