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Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« on: July 17, 2014, 09:24:47 AM »
So I read the 10 principles, and  one thing that struck me was the part about anything that "detracts from unity with autistic people hurts all autistic people".

How do you square this with the fact that the disagreement between the pro-cure and pro-neurodiversity movements are irreconcilable?

What are people's views here on the cure-anti cure debate?

I myself am anti-cure, in that i don't view autism as an affliction and a necessary part of human diversity (many technological achievements have come about BECAUSE of autism not in spite of it).  Furthermore, any cure attempts would be extremely dangerous to the patient and the risks would outweigh the supposed benefits.
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2014, 09:38:29 AM »
Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2014, 09:48:18 AM »
Anti-cure. Obviously

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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2014, 09:59:43 AM »
Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:

Sorry, it didn't occur to me. I assumed people would just type their opinons.

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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2014, 10:03:49 AM »
Why didn't you make this a poll? :GA:

Sorry, it didn't occur to me. I assumed people would just type their opinons.

We're lazy. :P
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2014, 11:15:46 AM »
I don't think you will find any curebies here.
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2014, 11:41:44 AM »
This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks, and I for one still stand in opposition to that move, despite all the rhetoric about building bridges between communities. There are some people and some organizations you don't want to build bridges with.  As awful as WP was and as much fun as people had had trolling the hell out of it, it did less harm to the autistic community without corporate shills.

So where is the "unity with autistic people" now? I don't know. I haven't been back there in years. Statistically it's obvious that there are autistic people in the world I personally don't have unity with, but a principle about detracting from unity is a bit of rhetoric too, anyway. Take the community here as you see it, rather than as conforming to the letter of the principles.
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2014, 03:39:02 PM »
This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....

No shit?

I thought Plankton was all anti that shit. Ah yeah, I forgot, he's more pro-money/fame than any other supposed principles.

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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2014, 03:47:59 PM »
wrong planet seems to be a rogue's gallery of all the negative stereotypes of autistic people.

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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2014, 06:20:29 PM »
This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....

No shit?

They're in a "business partnership" of some sort now. As of a couple years ago. There was some drama about Autism Speaks having accounts on the forum and objecting to people saying bad things about them and Plankton capitulating to their wishes and deleting as he thought fit. In return Plankton gets to be in videos or some crap.
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2014, 06:34:46 PM »
He's made a whole dozen posts on his forum this year.  :autism:
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2014, 07:48:13 PM »
This place was founded before WrongPlanet was bought out by Autism Speaks....

No shit?

They're in a "business partnership" of some sort now. As of a couple years ago. There was some drama about Autism Speaks having accounts on the forum and objecting to people saying bad things about them and Plankton capitulating to their wishes and deleting as he thought fit. In return Plankton gets to be in videos or some crap.


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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2014, 08:41:40 PM »
I'm for "curing" the severe cases of autism.  Even if this only brings them higher on the spectrum.  If a person is able to voice an opinion, then that opinion should be followed if possible.
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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2014, 09:19:41 PM »
I'm for "curing" the severe cases of autism.  Even if this only brings them higher on the spectrum.  If a person is able to voice an opinion, then that opinion should be followed if possible.

The danger is that sets kindof a precedence.

If ASD of any 'extremity' becomes 'curable' then governments and medical authorities could co-erce people into having potentially life threatening procedures carried out under duress of having services and welfare removed.

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Re: Are you curebie or pro neurodiverse?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2014, 02:28:44 PM »
QV, I have to agree it sets a dangerous precedent.

And also, from the point of view of the 'severely' autistic kids...I have been one, someone that would probably get that label as a kid. I'm kinda pissed I had to become 'less' autistic. Sure, there were a few inconvenient features, or problems of one sort or another, but I figure there must be with being NT too.

If I could return to the way I used to be as a kid (life experience and gained knowledge/experiences/maturity not withstanding) I would do.
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