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  But if you had a gun, you could just force doctors to treat you, at gunpoint!  :autism:
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         :asthing: :asthing: "guns don't kill people,  National Health Trusts do" :asthing: :asthing:
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  But if you had a gun, you could just force doctors to treat you, at gunpoint!  :autism:

...BUT if our nhs was taken away,  it would also follow that the national hobby of 'moaning' about it would be gone too.  How would we cope.  Extra Tea would need to be shipped in!
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I feel the nhs is so ingrained into our society it will be around for many years.  Tories will always water it down but not even Maggie could kill it.
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  I've also observed a fear among some people that universal health care = OMG, COMMUNISM !!!!!!  :bint:

i've noticed that "OMG, COMMUNISM !!! :bint: " seems to be a common reaction to any decent politics in the US. i don't get why anything even moderately left of centre is so terrifying/repulsive to so many people in the US. "socialism" seems to be a dirty word there. your "left" politicians are more right wing than ours, and we don't even HAVE socialist governments anymore

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they'll kill it eventually, the cunts.

with each tory government we get, more and more is slowly destroyed and people are too fucking stupid to do anything about it.

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  But if you had a gun, you could just force doctors to treat you, at gunpoint!  :autism:

...BUT if our nhs was taken away,  it would also follow that the national hobby of 'moaning' about it would be gone too.  How would we cope.  Extra Tea would need to be shipped in!

  We may still have some here in Boston Harbor.  Come get it. :trollface:
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they'll kill it eventually, the cunts.

with each tory government we get, more and more is slowly destroyed and people are too fucking stupid to do anything about it.

I read somewhere (can't quote because i don't remember where) that poverty and years of inequality will eventually force people from their xbox to go vote labour.  Then,  when a certain standard of living is achieved people get all snobby and vote tory.  I read that people are inclined to feel more tory when their pay reaches a certain level.

He he he fucking stoooopid


and it was NOT the Daily Mail where I read that.  Probably The Mirror.
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  But if you had a gun, you could just force doctors to treat you, at gunpoint!  :autism:

The doctor earns more, and probably would have a bigger gun, and better training in how to use it.

You'd end up with a massive bill for all the stitching and stopping of internal bleeds.
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Sometimes waiting is not that bad, if you know the reason why. My mum had a non critical inguinal hernia, and needed surgery, but not right away. Her neighbour got the same, sudden and threathening, right after my mum had done the pre-op things. He got operated within a week, she would have to wait four to six weeks.
In the end, she had to wait ten weeks. But, she did get to hear the reason why. The mammogram van had been in the area of the hospital of her choice. And the number of women needing a breast operation was massive this time. Getting a woman with cancer treated before treating a woman with a non critical hernia makes a lot of sense. She could have opted for another hospital, but then she would have to start at the bottom of a list waiting four to six weeks.

I got my gall-bladder surgery late, simply because I chickened out. It was hospital proposing a way earlier date in the end, with the caveat that if there would be a person with cancer showing up, I would end up in the late scheme I had in mind. Because the surgeon operating on me was also the one doing certain types of cancer. Made sense, for me it meant I got operated sooner than I had the guts to get operated. And that was for the better.

I have seen no bill for my operation.
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I have seen no bill for my operation.

This   :clap: :clap: :clap:

There are already enough stresses and things to worry about when facing a stretch in hospital.   Removing the bill makes a heck of a difference.
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I get the impression that US citizens don't really want a universal healthcare.  Not enough of you make noise about it.  Well, I don't know if that is true for certain as i only really get a feel of the place via news and TV.  We don't get many reports about healthcare campaigns.  Maybe it is media bias,  but we often see Americans making a noise about their gun rights.

Is this an accurate picture of things?

I just thought about reactions if us Brits woke up one morning to find the nhs gone and replaced with the right to own a gun.   :zoinks:

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Srsly it's kind of annoying how easily people get sucked in by the press bashing "obamacare."  But people aren't as upset about the affordable care act.  CHRIST
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Jack, I'm not sure why you get all defensive about what I'm saying - the US healthcare is hardly your responsibility - but here are a few points:

Nobody's going to be driven into bankruptcy here because of a sudden illness and expensive medical bills. It does, however, happen in your country.

I know you're not going to be thrown out from the ER in the US if you don't have insurance, but I'm pretty sure you won't get the whole range of non-emergency treatment if that is the case. The *significantly* higher mortality rates for those 16% - 15.9% at the moment, I believe - prove that.

Yes, the quality of those actually receiving healthcare in the US is quite good. I know. It should be, considering the money the US spends on it. More than anyone else on the planet, per capita, if memory serves. It's significantly more than the money spent per capita in, say, the UK.

Why you are still unable to provide universal healthcare is beyond me.

Not really being defensive, and quite easily able to acknowledge problems in the US system. Have pointed out several times the negative aspects of problems in US health. Though it seems other people have problems doing that with their own systems. The US is bad, the UK is good, gets tiring. It's nonsense. I appreciate bodaccea being willing to say something negative; have never seen anyone here from the UK before willing to say anything negative about the NHS.  The UK aren't doing it any better, just different, and yes, some people in the UK are probably are experiencing financial woes, even bankruptcy, when they can't do their jobs while waiting months for surgery. Not sure why you want to continue making the point of mortality. Thinking the mortality rates of the UK might be related to the health system, because the US has better mortality ratings than the UK and, after all, we're shooting each other over here and dying because we don't have insurance. :laugh:
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i've noticed that "OMG, COMMUNISM !!! :bint: "
It's usually a reaction of OMG SOCIALISM!! :laugh: Though the US does have some aspects of socialism in place. The school systems are a great example of that, and a good place to look when taking a logical viewpoint of how the federal government might prioritize health in the national budget. The US just needs to try to fix some real problems, not hand the whole thing over. Certainly people in the UK can look at how their own government is destroying NHS funding and see that.

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Jack, I'm not sure why you get all defensive about what I'm saying
Jack is being logical. :M