Nearly half Norway would give police newborn DNA

[Semicolon]

Two fifths of Norwegians would support their government saving DNA profiles of all newborn infants for use in future police investigations, a study by The Norwegian Data Protection Authority has revealed.

The survey of more than 1,500 Norwegians found that 21 percent strongly agreed with the proposal and 22 percent partially agreed, compared to the 44 percent who opposed the measure.
 
Bjørn Erik Thon, the authority's director, said that he was amazed at how many supported the proposal.
 
"From a privacy standpoint, this is a bad number," he told Aftenposten newspaper. "It would be a violation of the newborn's privacy that they could be treated as a potential criminal from birth."
 
He said he worried that police could determine genes or gene-sets that predispose people towards criminality, allowing them to identify potential thieves and murderers while they are still wearing nappies.
 
"One can easily imagine that such a sample could be stored somewhere. We do not know how you will be able to use DNA in about 10 or 20 years," he said. "Maybe you will be able to look for a terrorist gene or a criminality gene".
 
Hege Salomon, a lawyer specialising in representing rape victims, has been pushing for hospitals to send genetic material collected from new-borns to a central database which the police should have access to.
 
"I'm in favour of it as I see that in Norway there are a large number of rape cases and sexual assaults against children and they are not able to find the perpetrators," she told Afternposten. 
 
"It should be both from newborns and also from people coming into Norway."
 
She downplayed the risk of DNA samples being used to identify potential criminals before a crime is even committed, saying there should be strict legal limits on who has access to the DNA database.

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Thoughts? I think that this is a violation of basic privacy. As far as I know, this is only a hypothetical question.

['andersom']

When my firstborn got the neonatal heel prick they asked if I would allow the DNA material to be saved. No, of course not. 

[Parts]

But the government promises not to do anything bad with the information so it will be okay

['andersom']

My government got reprimanded, for keeping an archive on fingerprints. Fingerprints are stored in our ID cards and passports, to make forging ID documents harder. The government thought this was a great opportunity to make an archive of those fingerprints too. (ID cards are obligatory here). They got told that they had to destroy their archive. And rightly so.

[Jack]

This reminds of the community 'child safety' projects years ago, promoted by police departments, encouraging parents to have their children fingerprinted in the even they're ever abducted. At least Norway is being honest about the intended future use of the evidence they're trying to collect.

[Lestat]

Would I fucking BOLLOCKS turn over the DNA of a new child to the filth, not until perdition freezes over and old nick chills his beer with solid helium ice cubes.

Its a traitorous act even in the very most generous case, towards members of one's own family.

With ambulatory dog waste of that nature in power, is it any wonder people like Breivik go on the warpath? I think not. The world would be a lot better off without the existence of ANY governments, short of a minimal skeleton structure capable of running the technology to catch paedos, rapists, serial killers, animal abusers and islam-lovers, with complete, and total transparency and oversight by the people (obviously not releasing the names of arrested, but not convicted people before the conclusion of a trial....although there is the thorny issue of whether or not victims being able to hear of it beforehand may or may not be somewhat important in encouraging those targeted by sexual predators to come forward, but I'm not about to open that can of worms, as THAT bait already has the hooks in it:P)

[Arya Quinn]

I thought Norway was meant to be one of the more liberal countries, but it seems that its just as close, if not closer to George Orwell's 1984 than the rest of the world.

[ZEGH8578]

Don't mistake this with "liberal" vs "conservative"

this is pure NAIVENESS

Norwegians are not used to a harsh cold world where bad things happen. They think a police registered DNA database to be a care-bears kind of thing, so of course they agree.

[Queen Victoria]

I know some parents who would gladly give their newborn' DNA and their newborn to the police for a bit of peace and quiet.   Early days can be rough for the first 20 or so years.

[sg1008]

Would I fucking BOLLOCKS turn over the DNA of a new child to the filth, not until perdition freezes over and old nick chills his beer with solid helium ice cubes.

Its a traitorous act even in the very most generous case, towards members of one's own family.

With ambulatory dog waste of that nature in power, is it any wonder people like Breivik go on the warpath? I think not. The world would be a lot better off without the existence of ANY governments, short of a minimal skeleton structure capable of running the technology to catch paedos, rapists, serial killers, animal abusers and islam-lovers, with complete, and total transparency and oversight by the people (obviously not releasing the names of arrested, but not convicted people before the conclusion of a trial....although there is the thorny issue of whether or not victims being able to hear of it beforehand may or may not be somewhat important in encouraging those targeted by sexual predators to come forward, but I'm not about to open that can of worms, as THAT bait already has the hooks in it:P)

I cannot imagine how you grouped "islam-lovers" with paedos, rapists, serial killers, and animal abusers.


I mean...if you're including paedos and serial killers, it might be closer to the mark to include "catholic-lovers".

[sg1008]

In the US, if you're underprivileged, the government doesn't even need to ask to use your DNA.

Yay for freedom!

[Semicolon]

Don't mistake this with "liberal" vs "conservative"

this is pure NAIVENESS

Norwegians are not used to a harsh cold world where bad things happen. They think a police registered DNA database to be a care-bears kind of thing, so of course they agree.

That's ironic, given your history with the Nazis.

Would I fucking BOLLOCKS turn over the DNA of a new child to the filth, not until perdition freezes over and old nick chills his beer with solid helium ice cubes.

Its a traitorous act even in the very most generous case, towards members of one's own family.

With ambulatory dog waste of that nature in power, is it any wonder people like Breivik go on the warpath? I think not. The world would be a lot better off without the existence of ANY governments, short of a minimal skeleton structure capable of running the technology to catch paedos, rapists, serial killers, animal abusers and islam-lovers, with complete, and total transparency and oversight by the people (obviously not releasing the names of arrested, but not convicted people before the conclusion of a trial....although there is the thorny issue of whether or not victims being able to hear of it beforehand may or may not be somewhat important in encouraging those targeted by sexual predators to come forward, but I'm not about to open that can of worms, as THAT bait already has the hooks in it:P)

I cannot imagine how you grouped "islam-lovers" with paedos, rapists, serial killers, and animal abusers.


I mean...if you're including paedos and serial killers, it might be closer to the mark to include "catholic-lovers".

Don't ask.

Lestat doesn't like Muslims.

[ZEGH8578]

That's ironic, given your history with the Nazis.

Compared to most occupied countries, Norway was treated very nicely by the nazis. Something we probably took for granted.

[Lestat]

Prisons here are getting increasingly full of jihadi types. Thats what I was referring to. The obsessive religion-crazy fuckups. Just seems to be that religions 'thing', as in thing that lets them down (not that religion itself as a concept isn't a blight upon our species), the ragheads have their suicide bombers, knife-wielding jihadi psychos, the catholics have their kiddy-fiddling priest problem, the jews have..well..israel. None of the abrahamic religions has too good of a past history if I'm honest. Or religion in general.

Once we evolve past the tendency to magical thinking required for a religion to take hold of a victim, the better. I imagine the human species would have, over its past history, killed a lot smaller number of each other, if it were not for the existence of religion.


And norway not used to cold reality? its always cold there

And with the likes of Breivik, chances are that sort of thing is going to act as a wakeup call to the fact that the world is full of psychos, fuckups and nutcases, if it wasn't already blindingly obvious. Theres the recent shooting down of a plane over ukraine by putin's goons, the jews and their escapades in the middle east, the pakis at it likewise, in the middle east, all the serial killers in general, anywhere/everywhere, over the years and various freelance lone-wolf types here and there, every so often that go on a rampage.

Not so sure about catholic-lovers, it seems mainly to be the priests and church auxilliaries (by that I mean those who are not actually priests, vicars, bishops and similar positions, but nevertheless work within the church mainstream) that do the most kiddie-molestering. Apparently in the UK there are 8 prisons SOLELY dedicated to imprisoning of paedos and rapists/other sex offenders.

A waste of time and resources IMO, when we could get the job done of protecting society, and our children from them with a cheap pair of shotgun shells per nonce/rapist and a double barrel 12-gauge to fire them from. Shooting the fucking creepy little bastards would be a better solution by far. And I doubt, as long as its made absolutely certain, 100% beyond doubt that an individual DID perpetrate such a crime, that many people would loose too much sleep over that kind of filth getting dealt with.