any crud munchin lacto-rosco-pico-ovo-vulcan's in the house?

[Jack]

That's the first time I've heard of fruitarian. Sounds like they lead very sheltered, non-violent lives.

Think that would have to be tough...how do you know if your produce came from an abusive relationship?

How does that even work with stuff like cabbage or lettuce...maybe they take off leaves? Now I'm going to have to look that up.

I read about it a few weeks ago. Could not help to find it cruel, they are eating baby plants. Seeds, never to feel the sun on their leaves, hazelnuts, never knowing the joy of breaking out of their own skin to grow and become a tree. Such a waste.
 

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['andersom']

That's the first time I've heard of fruitarian. Sounds like they lead very sheltered, non-violent lives.

Think that would have to be tough...how do you know if your produce came from an abusive relationship?

How does that even work with stuff like cabbage or lettuce...maybe they take off leaves? Now I'm going to have to look that up.

I read about it a few weeks ago. Could not help to find it cruel, they are eating baby plants. Seeds, never to feel the sun on their leaves, hazelnuts, never knowing the joy of breaking out of their own skin to grow and become a tree. Such a waste.
 

Your karma is 1919

Thank you.

I always miss the good numbers in my own profile. 

[Jack]

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

One would think primarily, food allergies to be the most important purpose; though allergy almost seems like an afterthought.

[Icequeen]

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

To prevent drama.

Kid had a couple of friends that came complete with lists every time they came over the house...can't eat this, can't eat that...can't watch this...can't do this...

One (who didn't give me a list) freaked when I let her son have some oreo's and milk...and play Dragonball Z..."we don't EAT processed foods, or play VIOLENT video games". 

My ex-SIL was another (Jehovah)...I was Satan for letting her kids play video games.


Other parents can be a trip. Allergies/food intolerances I get, I have them...but some of the other crap they are trying to protect they're kids from, like Oreo's and Goku...seriously?

[RageBeoulve]

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

One would think primarily, food allergies to be the most important purpose; though allergy almost seems like an afterthought.

It sure does.

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

To prevent drama.

Kid had a couple of friends that came complete with lists every time they came over the house...can't eat this, can't eat that...can't watch this...can't do this...

One (who didn't give me a list) freaked when I let her son have some oreo's and milk...and play Dragonball Z..."we don't EAT processed foods, or play VIOLENT video games". 

My ex-SIL was another (Jehovah)...I was Satan for letting her kids play video games.


Other parents can be a trip. Allergies/food intolerances I get, I have them...but some of the other crap they are trying to protect they're kids from, like Oreo's and Goku...seriously?

Oreos and goku might make them serial killers, IQ. 

[renaeden]

I have heard of strict vegetarians putting their dogs on vegetarian diets. Imo that is wrong because don't dogs need meat?

[odeon]

Yes, parents quite frequently force their diets on their kids, never realising that while an adult might want to cut down on something or the other, a child very frequently shouldn't.

When it comes to actual force, it's probably more common to find old school clean plate clubbers who make them eat things they find repulsive or continue eating when they say they're full. Can't view a relaxed family gathering over healthy food to be forcing anything, regardless of what's served.

I'm sure there's those, too.

That's how they did things at Finnish elementary school when I was a kid. You weren't allowed to leave the table until you'd emptied the plate.

I won every time. WTF were they supposed to do? Skip the next lesson or kidnap me?

[odeon]

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

One would think primarily, food allergies to be the most important purpose; though allergy almost seems like an afterthought.

Spiced with some political correctness.

[odeon]

I have heard of strict vegetarians putting their dogs on vegetarian diets. Imo that is wrong because don't dogs need meat?

It's wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind.

['andersom']

I have heard of strict vegetarians putting their dogs on vegetarian diets. Imo that is wrong because don't dogs need meat?

It's wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind.

It's more common than you think.
Some breeds of dogs are so affected by the breeding that they get all kinds of health problems, when eating meat. I had a neighbour with several dogs, some of them she had on a vegetarian diet, otherwise they got sick.
Now am having a neighbour specialised in dogs, veterinarian assistant, and now a dog trimmer. She also sells dietary food. Vegetarian food, for some dogs.
Lots of pedigree dogs are having the weirdest health issues, because of the breeding program that made them be how they are.
Not only true for dogs. Sickening thought, that health becomes secondary without a problem, if looks or amount of produced meat can be improved.

[bodie]

I have heard of strict vegetarians putting their dogs on vegetarian diets. Imo that is wrong because don't dogs need meat?

It's wrong on so many levels that it boggles the mind.

Indeed.  Although dogs are not the true carnivore's that cat's are.  If a dog makes a kill, the first, most prized meal will be to rip open the animals stomach and eat the contents.  This is a mix of meat and greens.  Tripe.  So the best food to give a dog is meat mixed with some greens.  To take away either of those to things makes it an unnatural diet. 

Putting a cat on a vegetarian diet is really unnatural.  They are real carnivore's.  Sometimes cats don't digest cereal and other bulking ingredients very well at all, and these are used to varying degrees in pet foods.

I think the worst thing is the practice of feeding meat to vegetarian animals.  I can't remember if the 'mad cow' thing was global but it was a big thing here in the UK.  It emerged that greedy farmers were simply not content with feeding cows and sheep their natural diet.  Oh no, more cost effective to put in all the meat and offal not fit for human consumption.  Really, turning a vegetarian animal into a carnivore and in some cases even a cannibal. 

I can't offer any scientific proof but I do wonder if this 'playing around with nature' was responsible for the 'mad cow' thing that was not just observed in cows but eventually humans too.  Upset the natural balance of things and nature will bite back!  Responsible or not,  this practice seems so wrong.  I believe it is outlawed now, but I was angry that these unscrupulous, greedy farmers were *compensated* for their losses during the crisis.  Public money was used as there was a wave of 'oh the pooor farmers can no longer export their beef and are going out of business'.   Well, IMO, those poor farmers exploited their animals in order to squeeze a bit more profit and deserved to be going out of business.

Going back to my original post,  the PC stuff doesn't really flip my lid - it just makes me laugh.  The funny thing is, after speaking to the school, it seems they themselves find it ridiculous too but they are obligated to send such letters home with pupils.  Makes it all a bit of a farce really.

[bodie]

Ok, what the fuck is this for?

To prevent drama.

Kid had a couple of friends that came complete with lists every time they came over the house...can't eat this, can't eat that...can't watch this...can't do this...

One (who didn't give me a list) freaked when I let her son have some oreo's and milk...and play Dragonball Z..."we don't EAT processed foods, or play VIOLENT video games". 

My ex-SIL was another (Jehovah)...I was Satan for letting her kids play video games.


Other parents can be a trip. Allergies/food intolerances I get, I have them...but some of the other crap they are trying to protect they're kids from, like Oreo's and Goku...seriously?

When I was in infant/junior school we had a Turkish girl in our class and her mother used to 'mind' kids afterschool for a few hours.  A bit of extra cash for her and very useful to the working mum's.  I was not a regular at her house after school but I did go occasionally.  I remember the lady used make fucking awesome little cake things, tiny really, probably more like sweets.  They were yummy.  Probably about 99% sugar 

Part of the fun in going to other peoples houses was to see what they were having for dinner. 

Of course this was a double edged sword as I remember going to someone else's house and being given something yukky.   

But those Turkish cakes,  mmmmm  I will always remember them.

['andersom']

I think the worst thing is the practice of feeding meat to vegetarian animals.  I can't remember if the 'mad cow' thing was global but it was a big thing here in the UK.  It emerged that greedy farmers were simply not content with feeding cows and sheep their natural diet.  Oh no, more cost effective to put in all the meat and offal not fit for human consumption.  Really, turning a vegetarian animal into a carnivore and in some cases even a cannibal. 

I can't offer any scientific proof but I do wonder if this 'playing around with nature' was responsible for the 'mad cow' thing that was not just observed in cows but eventually humans too.  Upset the natural balance of things and nature will bite back!  Responsible or not,  this practice seems so wrong.  I believe it is outlawed now, but I was angry that these unscrupulous, greedy farmers were *compensated* for their losses during the crisis.  Public money was used as there was a wave of 'oh the pooor farmers can no longer export their beef and are going out of business'.   Well, IMO, those poor farmers exploited their animals in order to squeeze a bit more profit and deserved to be going out of business.

The farmers probably did not even now the extra food they bought for their cows and sheep had been enhanced with rest-products of slaughterhouses. Just like I do not know what the bread-enhancer, used by the firm making my bread consist of. Could be a rest-product of a slaughterhouse, could be something else.

And, yes, that enhancing very likely was the cause of the BSE.

Sheep had similar issues like mad cows scrapie. And got infected because of remnants of sheep in their extra food. Especially the brain was an issue. There were the most harmful prions.

In Papua New Guinee there was a tribe of people getting kuru, another prion disease. Only women and children got that. They were the ones eating the brain, as funeral practice.

Animal food factories just tried it out. If it works on pigs and chickens (they do eat everything, and get everything to eat) why not try it on cattle. Anything to keep costs low and profit high. Just greed.

Don't know if there still is animal product in food for cattle. There were thoughts of banning brain tissue only, there were people saying only cannibalism needed to be avoided. Don't know what the final European verdict was. And no idea what the rules on other continents are at all.

['andersom']

Oh, no ground animal in cattle food anymore.

And there is this.

[bodie]

Oh, no ground animal in cattle food anymore.

And there is this.

The farmers probably did not even now the extra food they bought for their cows and sheep had been enhanced with rest-products of slaughterhouses.

I don't agree.  Well, OK, some maybe.  The ones that did not know *should have*.   It was mishandled from the start.  Support for British Agriculture and farming is so strong it even prompted the Tories and The Labour Party to close ranks.  The successive Tory Governments and their public spending cuts freed the agriculture industry from any state regulation.  Research by scientists and Universities on agriculture and food were slashed.  Setting the stage somewhat, I think.

Another thing I can blame Maggie for     In fact I am sure I can link all problems in UK since 1979 to Thatcher.   

Seriously,  the following government of Tony Blair set up an enquiry.  Carefully selecting those on board who would not apportion blame.  Sugar coating it to appear as a natural disaster.  After the farmers got their compensation for the destruction of their animals the victims and their families were offered compensation.  However, it was conditional  -  they had to agree that no law suits would be filed.  That sucks.  See what I mean about support for agriculture?  The reality was that other nations were more successfully farming than us.  That did not sit well.  British pride and all that.