Is touching someone's bum a sexual assault?

[bodie]

You will likely have heard about 'Jimmy Saville' -  and what a filthy letch he was.   The scandal caused the police to launch  'operation yew tree' and that has led to several celebrities being charged with rape/ sexual assault.  Rolf Harris is one that is waiting to go to court.

In court today was the former Top of The Pops presenter Dave Lee Travis.  He has been accused of several offences but I heard evidence of the sexual assault accusation.   His accuser described the 'incident'

"He put his hand on my shoulder, then he ran his finger down my back and rested his hand on my bottom"  -  and that was it!


Has the world gone mad?  How is that a sexual assault?  It may have been an unwelcome gesture,  but a slap around the mush or some harsh words would have been enough, surely.   Bearing in mind this was 9 years ago.   The woman was asked why she had not reported this sooner and she said "too embarrassed"   

It is funny how that embarrassment fades when there is a bandwagon to jump on and the sniff of a few pounds compensation.

He does face other allegations, too.  I have not heard the details.     If this is all that 'operation yewtree' has managed to dig up then what a waste of public money.       

[ZEGH8578]

I was under the impression that he totally buttfucked tons of kids behind the scenes of kids-programmes, but then again, I got this impression purely from the drama. I know zero details of the events

I am also curious, are the kids like... 5? or 10? or 15? or 17-and-a-half?
My mom has the tendency to be the type to scream "pedophile" even if the woman is like 40, so long as the dude is much older

[RageBeoulve]

If it isn't sexual assault yet, it will be. You can thank feminism, atheism plus, freethoughblog social engineers, and the mindless expansion of the powers of the state.

[bodie]

The charges I am referring to are from allegations of a female reporter who went to interview him at his house.  She must have been 18+

 

[Gopher Gary]

Touch my butt and let's see 

[ZEGH8578]

The charges I am referring to are from allegations of a female reporter who went to interview him at his house.  She must have been 18+

It is common tho, when these things happen, that people crawl out of the woodworks to "he winked at me" etc.
Look at the MJ case (which I am convinced was a big mockup circus by one kids parents. One or two), in the middle of this circus, there were many "bonus allegations" that in the aftermath were shown to have been bogus, simply people jumping on the bandwagon for attention, getting a piece of the cake, or whatever.

With MJ, I just find it sad. People are VERY reluctant to "side with a pedophile", and the whole "innocent untill proven guilty" flies out the window in this particular category, same as suspected terrorists (gitmo ), but imagine - just imagine IF - IF he never touched a kiddy - the implications are the following:
A man built a theme park for cancer kids, complete with a cinema with beds, where kids can watch Disney flicks, free of charge, and feed giraffes, and eat endless ammounts of cotton candy. And we lynched him for it!
Sometimes I think people just don't like people being that nice. Even before the whole scandal, people allready resented him for that stuff, "who does he think he is, Jesus?" that kind of sentiment. /random 5 cents

[Parts]

He touched her butt he deserves death

[ZEGH8578]

Speaking of butt-touching. On time I was out with some random-friend, this guy was "emo" before it was a thing, always dressed in black, very artsy, in fact, his room at home was painted black. That amazed me!
Anyway, this guy was very sensitive, always 100% focused on respecting other people, and such. Me on the other hand, I was in my "Satan's little helper"-phase (a friend of mine titled me that ), we were in a "underground" nightclub, in the basement, where people were dancing in a small section.
I explained to him how people subconciously move between sections, according to their ambitions, and that this particular dance floor was for those with sexual ambitions, they come here to get laid. If they didn't want to get laid, they woulda danced on the other floor, or not danced at all.
He was sceptical.
I decided to prove it to him, and I walked right onto the floor, with a huge grin, and just grabbed a girls ass, while she danced. Nothing happened. I dunno if she approved, but nothing happened. The emo dude was dying of embarassment, he didn't know where to hide! I grabbed another ass, to park my point, and he begged me to stop grabbing asses.

Epilogue: Immediately after, on my way off the dance floor, a dude came up to me, eagerly dancing, moving his shoulders, staring right at me, and grabbed my ass. Fuck you, karma.

["couldbecousin"]

Speaking of butt-touching. On time I was out with some random-friend, this guy was "emo" before it was a thing, always dressed in black, very artsy, in fact, his room at home was painted black. That amazed me!
Anyway, this guy was very sensitive, always 100% focused on respecting other people, and such. Me on the other hand, I was in my "Satan's little helper"-phase (a friend of mine titled me that ), we were in a "underground" nightclub, in the basement, where people were dancing in a small section.
I explained to him how people subconciously move between sections, according to their ambitions, and that this particular dance floor was for those with sexual ambitions, they come here to get laid. If they didn't want to get laid, they woulda danced on the other floor, or not danced at all.
He was sceptical.
I decided to prove it to him, and I walked right onto the floor, with a huge grin, and just grabbed a girls ass, while she danced. Nothing happened. I dunno if she approved, but nothing happened. The emo dude was dying of embarassment, he didn't know where to hide! I grabbed another ass, to park my point, and he begged me to stop grabbing asses.

Epilogue: Immediately after, on my way off the dance floor, a dude came up to me, eagerly dancing, moving his shoulders, staring right at me, and grabbed my ass. Fuck you, karma.

      Sig-worthy, a wonderful ending to the story!   

[Semicolon]

Speaking of butt-touching. On time I was out with some random-friend, this guy was "emo" before it was a thing, always dressed in black, very artsy, in fact, his room at home was painted black. That amazed me!
Anyway, this guy was very sensitive, always 100% focused on respecting other people, and such. Me on the other hand, I was in my "Satan's little helper"-phase (a friend of mine titled me that ), we were in a "underground" nightclub, in the basement, where people were dancing in a small section.
I explained to him how people subconciously move between sections, according to their ambitions, and that this particular dance floor was for those with sexual ambitions, they come here to get laid. If they didn't want to get laid, they woulda danced on the other floor, or not danced at all.
He was sceptical.
I decided to prove it to him, and I walked right onto the floor, with a huge grin, and just grabbed a girls ass, while she danced. Nothing happened. I dunno if she approved, but nothing happened. The emo dude was dying of embarassment, he didn't know where to hide! I grabbed another ass, to park my point, and he begged me to stop grabbing asses.

Epilogue: Immediately after, on my way off the dance floor, a dude came up to me, eagerly dancing, moving his shoulders, staring right at me, and grabbed my ass. Fuck you, karma.

      Sig-worthy, a wonderful ending to the story!   

[Al Swearegen]

Was that the end of the story? I was expecting at least a couple of drinks and an exchange of phone numbers 

[bodie]

"Satan's little helper"

Should be your custom tag.

[ZEGH8578]

Was that the end of the story? I was expecting at least a couple of drinks and an exchange of phone numbers 

*grabs your ass*

[El]

You will likely have heard about 'Jimmy Saville' -  and what a filthy letch he was.   The scandal caused the police to launch  'operation yew tree' and that has led to several celebrities being charged with rape/ sexual assault.  Rolf Harris is one that is waiting to go to court.

In court today was the former Top of The Pops presenter Dave Lee Travis.  He has been accused of several offences but I heard evidence of the sexual assault accusation.   His accuser described the 'incident'

"He put his hand on my shoulder, then he ran his finger down my back and rested his hand on my bottom"  -  and that was it!


Has the world gone mad?  How is that a sexual assault?  It may have been an unwelcome gesture,  but a slap around the mush or some harsh words would have been enough, surely.   Bearing in mind this was 9 years ago.   The woman was asked why she had not reported this sooner and she said "too embarrassed"   

It is funny how that embarrassment fades when there is a bandwagon to jump on and the sniff of a few pounds compensation.

He does face other allegations, too.  I have not heard the details.     If this is all that 'operation yewtree' has managed to dig up then what a waste of public money.       

It's extremely inappropriate, and consequences should depend on circumstances.  If a boss did that to an employee or a teacher to a student (even at college level/over 18), it would warrant writing-up, job-related consequences, etc.  At a club or something like that, yeah, a slap or a harsh look would pretty much cover it.

That said, as described, even though physical contact was made, I have to agree it sounds more like harassment than assault, at the heart of it.  Sounds like it was being used to characterize him rather than to charge him, though?

[Icequeen]

If I went to interview Johnny Depp at his house I would hope for an ass grab. But then that's just me.

Seriously I think it's much ado about nothing. If she didn't want his grubby hands on her she should have smacked him, not brought it up in court 10+ years from the fact.