Now listen here, feminism...

[RageBeoulve]

I disagree. Its about feminism.

['andersom']

I disagree. Its about feminism.

So, your feminism is different than mine, because atheism is not frowned upon in my country, and is an abomination in yours?

How about the feminism of Py and Elle? They do live in the same country as you do. And they do talk sensible things.

Don't know where Awhiddershin is from, but how about her feminism?

[RageBeoulve]

I disagree. Its about feminism.

So, your feminism is different than mine, because atheism is not frowned upon in my country, and is an abomination in yours?

How about the feminism of Py and Elle? They do live in the same country as you do. And they do talk sensible things.

Don't know where Awhiddershin is from, but how about her feminism?

Didn't say anything about Atheism, just about feminism in my country. And a lot of the UK. Py and Elle are sensible to be sure, but they get their hackles raised when I speak critically of feminism, as if I were speaking critically of women.

That's never going to be ok in my book.

Don't know where Awhiddershin is from, but how about her feminism

Its shit. I detect quite a bit of poisonous ideologue in her, even though she seems to be old enough to have the mastery of rhetoric to make reasonable sounding statements.

[Jack]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Is this just your opinion or can you back it up?

There are a lot of feminists, man. What do you really expect me to do here?

Nothing wrong with having an opinion.

[awiddershinlife]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Kinda like you, Rage.

So your problem is with your and your imagined feminist's anger and toxicity or just that of your imagined feminists?

[Yuri Bezmenov]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Kinda like you, Rage.

         

So your problem is with your and your imagined feminist's anger and toxicity or just that of your imagined feminists?

Toxic feminists are very real, I grew up with a few.

Their anger and toxicity is closely intertwined with their feminist politics so you can't really seperate the two.

The personal is the political and all that.

[Pyraxis]

Probably because you don't live in jesusland.

I disagree. Its about feminism.

USA Bible Belt, right? I lived there for a couple of years. Yeah there are an awful lot of Jesus freaks but I'm really surprised you would blame feminism and not, say, Christianity, for that.

Py and Elle are sensible to be sure, but they get their hackles raised when I speak critically of feminism, as if I were speaking critically of women.

That's never going to be ok in my book.

Oh, what, me getting my hackles raised is a problem, but your hackles are all over this damn thread and that's just fine? Serious double standard, dude.

[awiddershinlife]

Oh, what, me getting my hackles raised is a problem, but your hackles are all over this damn thread and that's just fine? Serious double standard, dude.

Right on, Pyraxis

[odeon]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Is this just your opinion or can you back it up?

There are a lot of feminists, man. What do you really expect me to do here?

I expect you to refrain from sweeping generalisations that you have no intention of backing up when arguing.

[RageBeoulve]

Probably because you don't live in jesusland.

I disagree. Its about feminism.

USA Bible Belt, right? I lived there for a couple of years. Yeah there are an awful lot of Jesus freaks but I'm really surprised you would blame feminism and not, say, Christianity, for that.

Py and Elle are sensible to be sure, but they get their hackles raised when I speak critically of feminism, as if I were speaking critically of women.

That's never going to be ok in my book.

Oh, what, me getting my hackles raised is a problem, but your hackles are all over this damn thread and that's just fine? Serious double standard, dude.

You know full well it has nothing to do with jesus freaks. I used "jesus land" as a derogatory term for America.

[RageBeoulve]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Is this just your opinion or can you back it up?

There are a lot of feminists, man. What do you really expect me to do here?

I expect you to refrain from sweeping generalisations that you have no intention of backing up when arguing.

It isn't a sweeping generalization. Feminism does negative things.

['andersom']

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Is this just your opinion or can you back it up?

There are a lot of feminists, man. What do you really expect me to do here?

I expect you to refrain from sweeping generalisations that you have no intention of backing up when arguing.

It isn't a sweeping generalization. Feminism does negative things.

You only seem to see negative things. Not only in feminism.

You're too young to be a bitter old man, Rage.

[Jack]

You only seem to see negative things. Not only in feminism.

You're too young to be a bitter old man, Rage.

It's a bit of a catch 22. People who try to focus on positives in life are called deluded and marked with the implication of not caring about the negative. Tend to think a lot of people cry in pity or cry in outrage, so having the appearance they care, but they do nothing other than make noise about how they care. Maybe Rage actually cares, and does more than make noises of outrage. If so, then that's good, because optimist or pessimist, people actually take action when they care.

['andersom']

You only seem to see negative things. Not only in feminism.

You're too young to be a bitter old man, Rage.

It's a bit of a catch 22. People who try to focus on positives in life are called deluded and marked with the implication of not caring about the negative. Tend to think a lot of people cry in pity or cry in outrage, so having the appearance they care, but they do nothing other than make noise about how they care. Maybe Rage actually cares, and does more than make noises of outrage. If so, then that's good, because optimist or pessimist, people actually take action when they care.

That makes sense. I get what you mean with positives and negatives. I am aware that every positive turn in things brings negative with it. I know I sometimes am too optimistic for my own good. But, I am not turning a blind eye to the negative.

Last years, I could see in Rage's posts that he cared. Now I find it hard to see it. I see fulmination after fulmination and barely the will to look at things from another pov. Don't know whether it is bitterness or trolling. If it is because he cares, the message gets lost in the way he posts for me.

[awiddershinlife]

On the whole, feminists are angry and toxic.

Kinda like you, Rage.

         

So your problem is with your and your imagined feminist's anger and toxicity or just that of your imagined feminists?

Toxic feminists are very real, I grew up with a few.

Their anger and toxicity is closely intertwined with their feminist politics so you can't really seperate the two.

The personal is the political and all that.

That sucks, Pappy. Its hard to deal with people like that as an adult, can't imagine as a child since I was a runner. All idealistic groups seem to attract these big mouths.