This thread is, sadly, not one of those threads that makes me glad to be a member of intensity (which some of the threads here on controversial topics actually do, because you can tell people involved are actually interested in getting new information), and is instead one of those threads that reminds me of the futility of arguing with people on the internet.
Rage was at least 50% trolling to start with, and I'm not seeing any interest on his part of hearing opposing sides- he just want to keep on saying what he's saying. This thread's probably going the way he hoped it would.
and I'm not seeing any interest on his part of hearing opposing sides- he just want to keep on saying what he's saying.
Sounds like a splendid description of the bigoted female supremacist cult, but what do I know? I'm just a stupid ass white cismale with inherent privelige of over 9000 types. Props for at least staying away from insults about my sex life.
Want to see an abrasive thread about feminism? I can pull out a lot of dirty laundry.
You're painting all members of a broad group with the same brush- almost exactly what you're accusing feminists of doing, of course. You really just sound like you want to be angry, not like you want to talk about anything.
Yes, there are women who will self-identify as feminists who really mainly just have problems with men and want to frame that as some kind of political thing when what they really want is to bash men. They're usually damaged from previous encounters with men who were, in fact, shitty human beings, and have generalized that to all men. They turn
me right the hell off as well; they're profoundly annoying at best, and destructive at worst.
That's not
all people who identify as feminists. There's other mindsets, including the one Pyraxis described, and the one I largely agree with, (that pretty much just wants people to treat each other decently regardless of gender (or, under the same broad umbrella, sexual orientation)).
Thus far, what I've seen you coming out with, Rage, are:
*insisting that no, but really, "real" feminism is about man-hating (which is simply incorrect, and you have no decent argument to that point- just anecdotes, generalizations and persistence of noise)
*historically, feminism was all about man-hating (again, simply incorrect)
*feminism is too narrowly focused and should also focus on issues like poverty and worker's rights (Which is a bit of a tall order- while components of those things have been/are within the range of some traditionally feminist issues, there's a lot more which falls outside of even the broader definitions of feminism. Political focus on one issue while not focusing on another doesn't invalidate the focus, it just means the focus isn't comprehensive. Autism rights doesn't generally fight to save the dolphins. Doesn't mean the movement has a "and to hell with the stupid dolphins" subagenda.)
*stereotypes (again, anecdotes and generalizations persistence of noise)
*more anecdotes and generalizations and persistence of noise
What do you want to accomplish, here? Do you just want to whine about how the mean feminists have done bad things and have a pity party under the pretext of moral outrage? To you want to learn something? Do you want to teach something? Do you have a goal at all?