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The Obamacare We Deserve
« on: January 01, 2014, 09:46:23 AM »
The Obamacare We Deserve

TODAY marks the beginning of health care coverage under the Affordable Care Act’s new insurance exchanges, for which two million Americans have signed up. Now that the individual mandate is officially here, let me begin with an admission: Obamacare is awful.

That is the dirty little secret many liberals have avoided saying out loud for fear of aiding the president’s enemies, at a time when the ideal of universal health care needed all the support it could get. Unfortunately, this meant that instead of blaming companies like Novartis, which charges leukemia patients $90,000 annually for the drug Gleevec, or health insurance chief executives like Stephen Hemsley of UnitedHealth Group, who made nearly $102 million in 2009, for the sky-high price of American health care, the president’s Democratic supporters bought into the myth that it was all those people going to get free colonoscopies and chemotherapy for the fun of it.

I believe Obamacare’s rocky start — clueless planning, a lousy website, insurance companies raising rates, and the president’s telling people they could keep their coverage when, in fact, not all could — is a result of one fatal flaw: The Affordable Care Act is a pro-insurance-industry plan implemented by a president who knew in his heart that a single-payer, Medicare-for-all model was the true way to go. When right-wing critics “expose” the fact that President Obama endorsed a single-payer system before 2004, they’re actually telling the truth.

What we now call Obamacare was conceived at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, and birthed in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, then the governor. The president took Romneycare, a program designed to keep the private insurance industry intact, and just improved some of its provisions. In effect, the president was simply trying to put lipstick on the dog in the carrier on top of Mitt Romney’s car. And we knew it.

By 2017, we will be funneling over $100 billion annually to private insurance companies. You can be sure they’ll use some of that to try to privatize Medicare.

For many people, the “affordable” part of the Affordable Care Act risks being a cruel joke. The cheapest plan available to a 60-year-old couple making $65,000 a year in Hartford, Conn., will cost $11,800 in annual premiums. And their deductible will be $12,600. If both become seriously ill, they might have to pay almost $25,000 in a single year. (Pre-Obamacare, they could have bought insurance that was cheaper but much worse, potentially with unlimited out-of-pocket costs.)

And yet — I would be remiss if I didn’t say this — Obamacare is a godsend. My friend Donna Smith, who was forced to move into her daughter’s spare room at age 52 because health problems bankrupted her and her husband, Larry, now has cancer again. As she undergoes treatment, at least she won’t be in terror of losing coverage and becoming uninsurable. Under Obamacare, her premium has been cut in half, to $456 per month.

Let’s not take a victory lap yet, but build on what there is to get what we deserve: universal quality health care.

Those who live in red states need the benefit of Medicaid expansion. It may have seemed like smart politics in the short term for Republican governors to grab the opportunity offered by the Supreme Court rulings that made Medicaid expansion optional for states, but it was long-term stupid: If those 20 states hold out, they will eventually lose an estimated total of $20 billion in federal funds per year — money that would be going to hospitals and treatment.

In blue states, let’s lobby for a public option on the insurance exchange — a health plan run by the state government, rather than a private insurer. In Massachusetts, State Senator James B. Eldridge is trying to pass a law that would set one up. Some counties in California are also trying it. Montana came up with another creative solution. Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat who just completed two terms, set up several health clinics to treat state workers, with no co-pays and no deductibles. The doctors there are salaried employees of the state of Montana; their only goal is their patients’ health. (If this sounds too much like big government to you, you might like to know that Google, Cisco and Pepsi do exactly the same.)

All eyes are on Vermont’s plan for a single-payer system, starting in 2017. If it flies, it will change everything, with many states sure to follow suit by setting up their own versions. That’s why corporate money will soon flood into Vermont to crush it. The legislators who’ll go to the mat for this will need all the support they can get: If you live east of the Mississippi, look up the bus schedule to Montpelier.

So let’s get started. Obamacare can’t be fixed by its namesake. It’s up to us to make it happen.

Michael Moore

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/opinion/moore-the-obamacare-we-deserve.html?_r=0

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2014, 10:00:08 AM »
Best of luck, America. You're gonna need it.

I have come to learn that - as a citizen of a country where health- and welfare has been optimized to the limit of feasible perfection, I should shut my mouth about my anti-american euro-trashy bullshit, and let you guys sort your problems out your own ways. Hehe. I'll be watching from the sideline! :D
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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2014, 10:15:59 AM »
The only hope we have of getting past ObamaCare is to elect a very strong Republican Congress (did I really say that outloud?) and repeal the "whatever the fuck it is."

Oh, and I voted for him the first time.
:hide:

Interestingly, Obama is the very first human being in the history of all humankind to spend over one trillion dollars (not to really mention doing so in debt) and have nothing to show for it.  (courtesy: Limbaugh, but LISTEN - it is for real!)

The more I watch Obama destroy this country, the more Conservative I become.  I just wish that there was some place to turn to even more conservative than our watered-down Republican party!

 :headbang2:

I am ready to suck it up and allow the open market to RooooL what we do next.


So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.
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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 10:25:45 AM »
So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.

Norway. And yes, being European on the Internet, it is self-evident, that I have had many, many, maaaaany a debate with Americans, especially about wether or not any ammount of socialism ever works in a government. This means, in the same breaths, I often have to argue for the very existence of Norway, Sweden, and such :D
I swear tho!
We really exist!!!

Exaggerating the last bit there (I have to remember I am on aspie-forums), but a common argument is "It doesn't work PERIOD"
and when I ask "what about Sweden then?" the reply is often "It doesn't work PERIOD!!!" and that I simply have to interpret as "Sweden is a myth :M"

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2014, 10:39:27 AM »
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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 10:49:44 AM »
So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.

Norway. And yes, being European on the Internet, it is self-evident, that I have had many, many, maaaaany a debate with Americans, especially about wether or not any ammount of socialism ever works in a government. This means, in the same breaths, I often have to argue for the very existence of Norway, Sweden, and such :D
I swear tho!
We really exist!!!

Exaggerating the last bit there (I have to remember I am on aspie-forums), but a common argument is "It doesn't work PERIOD"
and when I ask "what about Sweden then?" the reply is often "It doesn't work PERIOD!!!" and that I simply have to interpret as "Sweden is a myth :M"

Next, you'll tell me that the Swedish Chef wasn't really Swedish. :toporly:

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 10:58:11 AM »
The only hope we have of getting past ObamaCare is to elect a very strong Republican Congress (did I really say that outloud?) and repeal the "whatever the fuck it is."

Oh, and I voted for him the first time.
:hide:

Interestingly, Obama is the very first human being in the history of all humankind to spend over one trillion dollars (not to really mention doing so in debt) and have nothing to show for it.  (courtesy: Limbaugh, but LISTEN - it is for real!)

The more I watch Obama destroy this country, the more Conservative I become.  I just wish that there was some place to turn to even more conservative than our watered-down Republican party!

 :headbang2:

I am ready to suck it up and allow the open market to RooooL what we do next.


So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.
You missed the whole point.

We need Universal health care.

Something that leaves the for profit
middle man (insurance companies) out of the mix.

The article wasnt about "lets hand our country to
the Neo_Cons and Libertarians."

Its about all of Congress coming together and fixing this.

Of course republicans have had 4 years to fix it; instead they chose to repeal over 40 times.

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2014, 10:59:43 AM »
So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.

Norway. And yes, being European on the Internet, it is self-evident, that I have had many, many, maaaaany a debate with Americans, especially about wether or not any ammount of socialism ever works in a government. This means, in the same breaths, I often have to argue for the very existence of Norway, Sweden, and such :D
I swear tho!
We really exist!!!

Exaggerating the last bit there (I have to remember I am on aspie-forums), but a common argument is "It doesn't work PERIOD"
and when I ask "what about Sweden then?" the reply is often "It doesn't work PERIOD!!!" and that I simply have to interpret as "Sweden is a myth :M"

You are quite :viking: to "give" me so much more than what I asked.

... but, my country, as it has been over the previous one hundred fifty years, already no longer exists.  I want it back!

I want to feel safe walking down my street at night without carrying a weapon. I want to have an open market to buy what ever I need/want at the lowest prices on the globe. I want my personal freedoms back. I want to have the best education for my children (well, that one has always been a bit away, BUT we should have that, too) I do not ever want to drive into a populated area and see a homeless person - they deserve better. We ALL do, globally!

To start with, we, as an entire nation, need to get the hell out of the world's affairs and take care of our OWN.  Use what we can to make our own house complete before we question our neighbors' houses.

If only there was not so much blood under the bridge. It is going to be difficult for us to find a stopping place. Where do we abandon who and when? Everyone, everywhere, right now (the perfect answer) seems a bit harsh to some of those where we send food, medicine, books and our hard earned dollars, instead of just bombs.

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2014, 11:05:59 AM »
The only hope we have of getting past ObamaCare is to elect a very strong Republican Congress (did I really say that outloud?) and repeal the "whatever the fuck it is."

Oh, and I voted for him the first time.
:hide:

Interestingly, Obama is the very first human being in the history of all humankind to spend over one trillion dollars (not to really mention doing so in debt) and have nothing to show for it.  (courtesy: Limbaugh, but LISTEN - it is for real!)

The more I watch Obama destroy this country, the more Conservative I become.  I just wish that there was some place to turn to even more conservative than our watered-down Republican party!

 :headbang2:

I am ready to suck it up and allow the open market to RooooL what we do next.


So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.
You missed the whole point.

We need Universal health care.

Something that leaves the for profit
middle man (insurance companies) out of the mix.

The article wasnt about "lets hand our country to
the Neo_Cons and Libertarians."

Its about all of Congress coming together and fixing this.

Of course republicans have had 4 years to fix it; instead they chose to repeal over 40 times.


You think I missed the point?

I simply asked for something a little MORE open than the way it is going. Cutting the middle men (plural) out is only one step. I get it.

Republicans are so close to Democrats it becomes a blur to tell them apart.
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The end result of life's daily pain and suffering, trials and failures, tears and laughter, readings and listenings is an accumulation of wisdom in its purest form.

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2014, 11:18:57 AM »
To start with, we, as an entire nation, need to get the hell out of the world's affairs and take care of our OWN.  Use what we can to make our own house complete before we question our neighbors' houses.

This is vital. It is what the vast majority of all countries do. Name any other country that goes on overseas military adventures anymore. None. Zero. I have even surprised people - baffled them - to suggest war in country A to be "fixed" by country B (being a neighbor, not USA "world police"), such as Cambodian genocide stopped through Vietnamese intervention - or Liberian civil war stopped through Nigerian intervention. These are real historical cases of successful military intervention by not-USA, and people cannot even conceptualize it :D "does... not compute! :O"
It has become both an expectation and a tiresome predictability to see USA snooping around the entire world - and according to most updates, the US government has absolutely NO intention to ever snoop less, in fact, it ONLY desires to snoop more, meddle more, take more, control more, bomb more, invade more, more more more more more.
USA is on its good way of actually becoming Mordor.

There was a time when USA was an isolationalist country - where other countries are such as a default, and need no name for it - such as Brazil. Brazil is powerful. Brazil has a military that is to be respected. You don't see Brazil wiretapping the entire world, fighting multiple front wars, etc. Brazil has enough on its plate running itself - and that is what USA - in reality - also has. The _nation_ of USA suffers. The _people_ suffer. Should that matter nothing to the leadership?
Why do Norwegian citizens matter to a Norwegian government? They matter enough for universal healthcare to be a norm, and more than enough for there to be a de-jure "ban" on homelessness - with the effect that you simply cannot remain homeless. The government will practically force a home upon you.
There is one homeless guy in my city of 200 000 inhabitants - ONE - and he is out of his mind, and has refused several homes for the past 40 years :D

I'm not saying the Norwegian government is like a loving mother, cradling us to her bosom, it's much colder and cynical than so (we produce land-mines for export, for example :D) but there is a "middle road" between being a loving mother, and a completely callous machine of capitalism, that will roll over their own newborn babies to make a few bucks more.
The entire world can see USA, and that is something USA is good at ignoring, or simply not caring about :I
« Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 11:21:57 AM by ZEGH8578 »

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2014, 11:20:40 AM »
It's that hangman rope sneak Woodrow Wilson's fault that America abandoned her isolationist policy! :arrr:

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2014, 11:35:22 AM »
The only hope we have of getting past ObamaCare is to elect a very strong Republican Congress (did I really say that outloud?) and repeal the "whatever the fuck it is."

Oh, and I voted for him the first time.
:hide:

Interestingly, Obama is the very first human being in the history of all humankind to spend over one trillion dollars (not to really mention doing so in debt) and have nothing to show for it.  (courtesy: Limbaugh, but LISTEN - it is for real!)

The more I watch Obama destroy this country, the more Conservative I become.  I just wish that there was some place to turn to even more conservative than our watered-down Republican party!

 :headbang2:

I am ready to suck it up and allow the open market to RooooL what we do next.


So, where are you, Z?   You talk like you have been down this same road before.
You missed the whole point.

We need Universal health care.

Something that leaves the for profit
middle man (insurance companies) out of the mix.

The article wasnt about "lets hand our country to
the Neo_Cons and Libertarians."

Its about all of Congress coming together and fixing this.

Of course republicans have had 4 years to fix it; instead they chose to repeal over 40 times.


You think I missed the point?

I simply asked for something a little MORE open than the way it is going. Cutting the middle men (plural) out is only one step. I get it.

Republicans are so close to Democrats it becomes a blur to tell them apart.
point taken

Vote for politicians who are willing to compromise for the people.

I have always felt Obama was a moderate republican, on the side of corporations

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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2014, 02:07:11 AM »
It's that hangman rope sneak Woodrow Wilson's fault that America abandoned her isolationist policy! :arrr:

Teddy should have shot the bastard, early on, taxidermized him in half a bear skin holding a shovel in one hand and an M1 in the other, planted his ugly arse in The Rose Garden with a sign around his neck stating: America Stands Alone!!


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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2014, 01:25:46 PM »
America has already emitted its death rattle. The obamacare we deserve is exactly what all the idiotic faggots that signed up for it got. Our country has become a silly and ridiculous caricature of it's former self, and after its citizens have stupidly walked into obvious trap after obvious corporate (foreign interest) trap, they fucking deserve to live in a burnt out shell of the country their parents enjoyed.

TL;DR, fuck it. We made this damn bed. Its our fault.
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Re: The Obamacare We Deserve
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2014, 12:20:48 AM »
While a bit of what you state may be true, I do not think our last rattle has yet been blown.

THIS IS AMERICA, you asshole. We will NEVER stand down!

Your punkass should know this from your training, if not from your heart!
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