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Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« on: December 20, 2013, 07:38:08 PM »
Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
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Dec. 16 2013 2:00 PM
Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?

Why physicists imagine mind-bending black-hole universes.
By Matthew R. Francis

The universe can seem bewildering at times. In the past century, we've learned an incredible amount about the cosmos: its 13.8 billion-year history, its structure (including the number and distribution of galaxies), and its possible future (increasingly rapid expansion forever). Yet two big mysteries still elude physicists: What happened to the universe in its first instants? And what is the connection between gravity and the other forces of nature?

Researchers entertain some fairly exotic ideas in an effort to understand the bits we haven't figured out yet. One of these ideas is the notion that our four-dimensional spacetime—three dimensions of space plus one of time, with gravity and everything else that is familiar to us—could correspond to a simpler cosmos with fewer dimensions. According to this line of reasoning, our universe could be like a multidimensional hologram, just as a hologram in our reality represents a three-dimensional shape on a flat surface.

That approach could be very promising, but nobody has figured out how to make the calculations work for the real universe yet. Instead, physicists have focused on making imaginary universes that might help guide our thinking. One such model has gotten a lot of attention after a write-up in Nature. Even though this imaginary universe does not resemble ours, subsequent coverage feels like a game of telephone, turning an interesting idea into headlines like “Physicists discover 'clearest evidence yet' that the Universe is a hologram” and “Mindblowing! Our Universe Might Just Be One Giant Hologram.”

Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

What does this research actually mean? A pair of unpublished papers by Yoshifumi Hyakutake and colleagues (available for free download here and here) describes a set of computer simulations that starts with a model 10-dimensional universe with a black hole. The researchers then demonstrate that this simulated universe corresponds numerically to a much simpler one-dimensional cosmos with no gravity. It's an interesting model that could be useful for future research, but it's a far cry from describing our real universe.

That's not the same thing as saying this 10-dimensional hologram model is nonsense—it's not. To appreciate what this far-out idea really means, we need to talk about a few other crazy, real things: black holes and quantum gravity.

Black holes are indisputably some of the freakiest objects in the cosmos. Their reputation for “sucking everything in” is a bit exaggerated—if you replaced the sun with a black hole of the same mass, Earth's orbit wouldn't change noticeably. But black holes stretch the limits of our understanding of the universe. When anything crosses into a black hole's interior—passing the event horizon—it can never return to the outside.

But that's where things get tricky. Black holes are defined by just their mass and rate of spin. They don't have lumps or various colors or differences in chemistry. The black hole apparently doesn't “remember” what falls in: Electrons, iron atoms, dark matter, and even photons can all contribute to its mass.

However, if the information about a particle is destroyed when it falls into a black hole, that means there’s a fundamental incompatibility between general relativity (our standard theory of gravity) and quantum physics. According to the basic rules of quantum mechanics, certain pieces of information about the identity and properties of particles need to survive. The solution to the conflict might lie in a complete quantum theory of gravity, but we don't have such a thing yet.

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2013, 07:38:58 PM »
Simulations back up theory that Universe is a hologram
A ten-dimensional theory of gravity makes the same predictions as standard quantum physics in fewer dimensions.

A team of physicists has provided some of the clearest evidence yet that our Universe could be just one big projection.

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed1 that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings could be reinterpreted in terms of well-established physics. The mathematically intricate world of strings, which exist in nine dimensions of space plus one of time, would be merely a hologram: the real action would play out in a simpler, flatter cosmos where there is no gravity.

Maldacena's idea thrilled physicists because it offered a way to put the popular but still unproven theory of strings on solid footing — and because it solved apparent inconsistencies between quantum physics and Einstein's theory of gravity. It provided physicists with a mathematical Rosetta stone, a 'duality', that allowed them to translate back and forth between the two languages, and solve problems in one model that seemed intractable in the other and vice versa (see 'Collaborative physics: String theory finds a bench mate'). But although the validity of Maldacena's ideas has pretty much been taken for granted ever since, a rigorous proof has been elusive.

In two papers posted on the arXiv repository, Yoshifumi Hyakutake of Ibaraki University in Japan and his colleagues now provide, if not an actual proof, at least compelling evidence that Maldacena’s conjecture is true.

In one paper2, Hyakutake computes the internal energy of a black hole, the position of its event horizon (the boundary between the black hole and the rest of the Universe), its entropy and other properties based on the predictions of string theory as well as the effects of so-called virtual particles that continuously pop into and out of existence (see 'Astrophysics: Fire in the Hole!'). In the other3, he and his collaborators calculate the internal energy of the corresponding lower-dimensional cosmos with no gravity. The two computer calculations match.

“It seems to be a correct computation,” says Maldacena, who is now at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey and who did not contribute to the team's work.

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The findings “are an interesting way to test many ideas in quantum gravity and string theory”, Maldacena adds. The two papers, he notes, are the culmination of a series of articles contributed by the Japanese team over the past few years. “The whole sequence of papers is very nice because it tests the dual [nature of the universes] in regimes where there are no analytic tests.”

“They have numerically confirmed, perhaps for the first time, something we were fairly sure had to be true, but was still a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind, a theoretical physicist at Stanford University in California who was among the first theoreticians to explore the idea of holographic universes.

Neither of the model universes explored by the Japanese team resembles our own, Maldacena notes. The cosmos with a black hole has ten dimensions, with eight of them forming an eight-dimensional sphere. The lower-dimensional, gravity-free one has but a single dimension, and its menagerie of quantum particles resembles a group of idealized springs, or harmonic oscillators, attached to one another.

Nevertheless, says Maldacena, the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are actually identical gives hope that the gravitational properties of our Universe can one day be explained by a simpler cosmos purely in terms of quantum theory.
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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2013, 08:51:48 PM »
Even if there are higher dimensions, three dimensional beings can't experience them so they don't matter.  :tard:
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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2013, 11:56:42 PM »
Even if there are higher dimensions, three dimensional beings can't experience them so they don't matter.  :tard:

Yup.

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2013, 01:08:33 AM »
Even if there are higher dimensions, three dimensional beings can't experience them so they don't matter.  :tard:

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2013, 01:30:35 AM »
Also, let is remember, "10" is a convenient number, and means nothing outside of earth. Reptiles and mammals tend to have 5 digits per hand and foot, although reptiles and amphibians can have 6 or 7 as well.

The number 10 (and all maths based on it) have to do with fingers on animals.
The number of dimensions will not care to be exactly 10, or 15 or 20 or any other convenient rounded number.

I notice a lot of people like the number 10, when talking about dimensions - cus it's more than 4 and less than "too many".

What is "too many" then? Why can't there be 100 million dimensions? All of them unique? Cus that would definitely be too many! Too many for convenience, too many for comfort. Our convenience and comfort. And our fingers! :D

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2013, 01:32:03 AM »
I don't live in a ten dimensional hologram
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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2013, 01:37:38 AM »
I also disagree with calling "time" a dimension.

In fact, I disagree with a lot of ideas about "time". People treat "time" like a tangible object, just because we gave it a name. "Travel in time" "Bending time" counting it as a dimension, which otherwis were just directional markers, when did time become a direction?
Then they just roll with it - and base tons of research ON the assumption that time is an object and a dimension and a place in some country, that we can travel to...

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2013, 01:51:01 AM »
The Romans weren't into such nonsense. In Rome it was 1 o'clock when the sun rose, and 6 o'clock at noon, 12 o'clock when the sun set  :M

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2013, 02:41:45 PM »
The Romans weren't into such nonsense. In Rome it was 1 o'clock when the sun rose, and 6 o'clock at noon, 12 o'clock when the sun set  :M
Maybe that is why Caesar did not make it up north. Too hard for him how fast time flew by in winter.
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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2013, 07:42:58 PM »

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed1 that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2013, 08:01:27 PM »

In 1997, theoretical physicist Juan Maldacena proposed1 that an audacious model of the Universe in which gravity arises from infinitesimally thin, vibrating strings

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2013, 08:15:22 PM »
Don't tell Odeon I did that. :laugh:

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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2013, 08:18:49 PM »
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Re: Do We Live in a 10-Dimensional Hologram?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2013, 08:21:15 PM »
Good answer. :laugh: