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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2013, 04:14:47 AM »
The so called "war on pedophiles" is a fraud, just like the "war on terrorism". You don't chase pedophiles by banning Japanese cartoons.


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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2013, 05:43:36 AM »
In Europe there used to be a difference between nudity and sex. Naturist sites were an issue, maybe. But, a gate and a fence would make it doable for the surrounding people. In the US naturist sites were seen as sex clubs. That's probably why nudity is so much more an issue in the USA.

The Netherlands are getting less religious and more prudish, when it comes to nudity. I think that is true in the whole of Europe. I wonder if a movie like "Ronia, the Robber's Daughter" could still be made for kids, nowadays.
Weird how towards nudity it seems to get more prudish, while sex ads are on tv more and more early in the evening.

Being scared of nudity makes no sense, to me.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #32 on: October 15, 2013, 05:45:30 AM »
In Europe there used to be a difference between nudity and sex. Naturist sites were an issue, maybe. But, a gate and a fence would make it doable for the surrounding people. In the US naturist sites were seen as sex clubs. That's probably why nudity is so much more an issue in the USA.

The Netherlands are getting less religious and more prudish, when it comes to nudity. I think that is true in the whole of Europe. I wonder if a movie like "Ronia, the Robber's Daughter" could still be made for kids, nowadays.
Weird how towards nudity it seems to get more prudish, while sex ads are on tv more and more early in the evening.

Being scared of nudity makes no sense, to me.
I enjoy being naked.

The law makes me wear clothing, tho

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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2013, 05:47:18 AM »
In Europe there used to be a difference between nudity and sex. Naturist sites were an issue, maybe. But, a gate and a fence would make it doable for the surrounding people. In the US naturist sites were seen as sex clubs. That's probably why nudity is so much more an issue in the USA.

The Netherlands are getting less religious and more prudish, when it comes to nudity. I think that is true in the whole of Europe. I wonder if a movie like "Ronia, the Robber's Daughter" could still be made for kids, nowadays.
Weird how towards nudity it seems to get more prudish, while sex ads are on tv more and more early in the evening.

Being scared of nudity makes no sense, to me.
I enjoy being naked.

The law makes me wear clothing, tho

Best Western country to live, when enjoying to be naked, is probably Germany. So, it might be time to emigrate.  :santa:
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2013, 06:07:10 AM »
I do have a German birth certificate

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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2013, 06:10:46 AM »
Too bad it's mostly old folks going around naked. Young people with sexy bodies rarely go naked  :-\

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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2013, 07:06:05 AM »
The agenda towards pedophiles is entirely retarded. It is based on the idea that humans are some kind of metaphysical spirit who has the power of choice over all their actions, and related social constructs around it. The idea that everyone is equal. Being realistic is more complicated than imposing some one-liner ideology as the universal good. The problem is when people make ideologies their reality, instead of seeing them as the possibly least worst outcome to work with, which they were originally intended to be.

It is like an electronics engineer entirely not comprehending that the idealized components he is working with and designing equations and circuits on are in reality not ideal at all. Of course you need the idealizations to to comprehend and work with the circuit. But they might just be entirely nonsensical by themselves if you are trying to diagnose a specific problem with your board. A problem that by all likeliness emerged precisely because the only errors in your design are caused by thinking within a simplified belief system.
An electronics engineer has to always consider and acknowledge the reality that he is merely using a tool by believing in the theories and concepts he is thinking in, but that they are in fact just limited abstract ideas designed to make things easier to work with, and that they don't exist in the real world. The only way the engineer can be successful is to acknowledge reality as it truly is and can be observed and to build logic, methods and preventive considerations around keeping a circuit from malfunctioning. He does that by gaining and acknowledging a rational understanding that might entirely contradict the whole belief system of idealized components.

And that this is not done within society and the legal system, because of the ignorance and denial of the people, is the biggest practical deficit it still has.

People need to understand that all we do is essentially largely involuntary and shaped by instinctual responses. People need to comprehend that and how it is being a slave to whatever was evolutionary programmed into you. I think comprehending sexuality is a good start, because it is the most striking and intense impulse that is also largely superfluous at the same time. Most people are normal and can functionally integrate their instinct. But you can see what will happen if that is entirely impossible, i.e. to people who are pedophile.

That is why pedophiles as individuals should be supported and not rejected. They need a functional integration of their sexual impulses and instincts that does not actually involve interacting with children. If they go into self-denial about them, it will only and even more so mutate that, which seeks to be expressed by design and any means, into some unpredictable and hard-to-control force against all reasonable choice. Many people on this board possibly have made that experience themselves (by social isolation and deprivation of sexual relationships), or at least can see how the dynamics of it actually are.

Pedophiles should also be supported in the sense that they are acknowledged as humans and not rejected as being intrinsically inhumane. That the same mechanics which make them sick monsters exist in all of us, but we were just born to not be dysfunctional in the (what we currently call euphemistically) 'preference'. To see that the key difference between a pedophile and a normal person is in fact in essence extremely minute. That is probably the real challenge for most people and what they can't acknowledge, because it hurts their feelings.

People just want to ban 'child porn' (which effectively means not only real porn with children but everything associating children in sexual contexts, such as cartoons) because it makes themselves feel better and they make up all sorts of ideas to support it. But the truth is that banning something abhorrent to your own perception, no matter if that perception is good or bad, doesn't improve anything by itself. If you take away the methadone from the heroin addict, he will even more so go out on the street and rob people to get his shit. What we seek is to eliminate socially and legally dysfunctional behavior. And you can't have that by just banning and rejecting everything you don't want to see or even hear and think of, which is by all likeliness the only basis for the people affected to be functional with.

Also in my opinion, we should revive unethical methods such as eugenics and forcing people on medication. Not for all people who are just pedophile, but for those who have clearly done criminal offenses that cannot be tolerated. Anti-androgens, aka temporary chemical castration, are known to greatly reduce sex drive and go with little very severe side-effects. Although they make men more dysfunctional and have a negative health impact. At least here, it is only allowed to be offered as a treatment option. But especially those who are more selfish than altruistic and less righteous than responsible will not take that option. We don't know how much genetics are involved, but especially because we have no evidence to indicate not a genetic component, and because genetics are always involved in personality traits and trends, reproduction should be prevented. Out of sheer pragmatics to prevent people who are prone to sexually abuse children (because their ancestors did) from evolving within the population.

But unrelatedly, I am generally much in favor of altering and improving the now defunct natural selection mechanism and genetic evolution of humans, so that is rather why I am also pro-eugenics in this case and this case only. At some point we will have to face the reality that the people living in the future will be the product of our reproductive behaviors in the present, and that the whole process is based on an inevitable physical reality which does not just magically work in a beneficial or neutral manner if entirely ignored and if we let it roam freely. To every positive outcome, there are always a great multiple of negative ones and that is where it will all go by chance. How we deal with that needs to be somehow figured out one day.

So anyway, if there was a "war" on pedophilia then we would already practice eugenics and chemical castration and look into real and realistic therapeutic and psychological approaches to fix or remove the people's problem. What it really is, is a "war on having to deal with anything that relates to pedophilia". People just don't want to perceive and hear of it, because it makes them sick. And anything that could lead into positive progression makes them even more sick, because it has to go in depth of the issue. They are not interested in fixing any of it. And being realistic it is not that big of a deal anyway, if you take the masses of other crimes that could be solved or prevented.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2013, 09:23:29 AM »
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who has the power of choice over all their actions

Everything after this is bullshit, because removing your stupid sarcasm makes this a true statement. You do have a choice, and you are responsible for it. End of story, kiddo. There is never going to be a magical dreamland where you can do whatever you want without having to deal with the consequences for it.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2013, 11:13:31 AM »
Anti-androgens, aka temporary chemical castration, are known to greatly reduce sex drive and go with little very severe side-effects. Although they make men more dysfunctional and have a negative health impact. At least here, it is only allowed to be offered as a treatment option.

Do you want some of that for yourself? If so, just say so and stop projecting your identity onto pedophiles. It's sickening and so are the results of what they do to children.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2013, 12:27:57 PM »
I can relate to pedophiles, because I exactly do know the consequences of sexual relationship withdrawal, if you are not the kind of person who was born to be able to deal with it well (for example, by being asexual or having a sufficiently low sex drive).

I do not project my identity into them. I am very sensitive to logic and arguments based on however irrational or insufficient concepts and that is why I will always tend to fixate on it and try to open peoples minds by having a discussion. Of course I do also want to know if everything I am thinking makes sense, but often people are just not willing to think and argue enough to match the depths of it.

People seem to have the idea, that a sensible subject which invokes negative emotional reactions in the majority of people, can validly and acceptably be judged about by irrational conclusions, that are complementing the irrational nature of the emotion. Because (exaggeratedly), our emotional perceptions are always the absolute truth, and we must fixate on how they truly make sense rather than realizing what is wrong with them.
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2013, 12:36:15 PM »
You sure don't seem to have a lot to do.
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2013, 01:12:45 PM »
I freelance from at home and am often doing multiple things at a time.

But work has not gone well lately.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2013, 01:15:59 PM »
It shows.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2013, 02:33:35 PM »
I have worked 28 of the last 30 days.

Work goes well for me.  But the make me wear PPE.
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Re: America and nudity
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2013, 02:35:24 PM »
I have worked 28 of the last 30 days.

Work goes well for me.  But the make me wear PPE.

See? This guy is an asshole, but he knows what matters to him.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
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