America, fuck yeah!

[ZEGH8578]

Bush DOES belong in prison, and he can't even leave the country anymore because tons of other countries call him a war criminal and have sworn to bring him to justice. Obama was recently called a war criminal in Ireland, but here in America any negative criticism of him is treated like a crime.

Politics is divided, you can't expect everyone to agree with you - ever. Politics will always be a polaric business, nobody will agree. You have a huge portion of Americans who DO want to see Obama punished.
But you know... welcome to the rest of the world!
I mean, Pol Pot slaughter a million of his own people, and introduced death penalty for wearing glasses (true story), and he got to die peacefully in his sleep, in "house arrest", in other words, weed and dvds untill he died.

Politics is ugly business, and those people get away with the shit they do - as a norm. A politician answering for his deeds is the exception to the rule.

/cynicism

By the way, I must admit a clerical error I did the other day, the percentage of natural warriors is closer to 2,5% not 0,25%.
This roughly translates to about 8 million American "warrior types". Statistically, at least half of these should allready be in some kind of soldier/police/guard employment ;]

The same percentage for Norway translates to a little over 100 000 warriors, which seems logical according to our population, and the figures seen during WW2, for how many resistance fighters we had etc.

[TheoK]

That would be almost 250000 "warriors" in Sweden, 10 times more than the cops - although many "warriors" are probably just that.

The French resistance movement was the greatest in western Europe during WWII, though only about 1% of the French people took part in it.

[TheoK]

The Germans defeated the Romans in the battle in the Teutoburg Forest in year 9. They couldn't accept obeying Roman laws and being forced to give up their weapons.

Arminius was their temporary leader, because he had had military education in Rome as a boy and young man. But when he tried to be the permanent leader over all Germans after the defeat of the Romans, his men turned against him and killed him. That's the spirit.

[ZEGH8578]

That would be almost "250000" warriors in Sweden, 10 times more than the cops - although many "warriors" are probably just that.

The French resistance movement was the greatest in western Europe during WWII, though only about 1% of the French people took part in it.

Yes, this simply illustrates observable reality: the vast majority of people are not warriors - and in a peacetime society, the "warriors" are usually working as soldiers, cops, security guards, mobsters, hitmen, football hooligans, etc
It's a simplification of course, but this percentage will be roughly the same in most war-torn areas.

People are naturally drawn to their occupations, for the most part.
You will very rarely find a cop who doesn't want to be a cop, but who's a cop just cus it was the only available job, or because he was drafted to become a cop.
People are naturally attracted to that job, and will naturally fill the quotas. Out of the Norwegian population, about 10 000 people are cops. The percentage also fits Sweden, which has about twice the population.

[RageBeoulve]

Bush DOES belong in prison, and he can't even leave the country anymore because tons of other countries call him a war criminal and have sworn to bring him to justice. Obama was recently called a war criminal in Ireland, but here in America any negative criticism of him is treated like a crime.

Politics is divided, you can't expect everyone to agree with you - ever. Politics will always be a polaric business, nobody will agree. You have a huge portion of Americans who DO want to see Obama punished.
But you know... welcome to the rest of the world!
I mean, Pol Pot slaughter a million of his own people, and introduced death penalty for wearing glasses (true story), and he got to die peacefully in his sleep, in "house arrest", in other words, weed and dvds untill he died.

Politics is ugly business, and those people get away with the shit they do - as a norm. A politician answering for his deeds is the exception to the rule.

/cynicism

By the way, I must admit a clerical error I did the other day, the percentage of natural warriors is closer to 2,5% not 0,25%.
This roughly translates to about 8 million American "warrior types". Statistically, at least half of these should allready be in some kind of soldier/police/guard employment ;]

The same percentage for Norway translates to a little over 100 000 warriors, which seems logical according to our population, and the figures seen during WW2, for how many resistance fighters we had etc.

I was really trying to illustrate the general attitude here in America about racism. There is a MASSIVE double standard right now.

[ZEGH8578]

Racism, and other forms of bigotry is unfortunate, because its nature is so complex, and fundamentally ingrained in people.

It is a matter almost impossible to make policy, without these policies coming to life on their own, and thus getting their own agendas (prompting hypocritical behaviours, double standards, emotional exploitation etc), while at the same time being too dire to ignore - because as a rule - bigotry means blaming and punishing innocent people (as in, punishing some random black dude, because all blacks are to be punished, or some random gay dude, cus all gays are to be punished, etc)

Bigotry is too dangerous to allow to flourish - it is _extremely_ volatile, probably one of the most easily ignited causes of mass-murder ever known to mankind, us-vs-them, even in total peacetime you can rally people to become bigots - as we see even IN peace time, bigots hide away untill they're welcome.

I know, dude, I'm of very little help here
I can see all the problems that come from excessive political correctness, backlashes etc, and of course the horrible result of allowing bigotry to go unchecked.

The solution? For people not to be dicks. A non-dick isn't gonna care who is gay or black, and will judge a person by his or her merits, and nothing else.
Unfortunately, most people are dicks, and will take the extreme road "ALL NIGGERS MUST DIE!" "A NIGGER MUST NEVER DIE! NO! WAKE HIM BACK UP!!!"
only a minor minority going "Eh, his name is Ronald, and he is just taking a nap."

[RageBeoulve]

Racism, and other forms of bigotry is unfortunate, because its nature is so complex, and fundamentally ingrained in people.

It is a matter almost impossible to make policy, without these policies coming to life on their own, and thus getting their own agendas (prompting hypocritical behaviours, double standards, emotional exploitation etc), while at the same time being too dire to ignore - because as a rule - bigotry means blaming and punishing innocent people (as in, punishing some random black dude, because all blacks are to be punished, or some random gay dude, cus all gays are to be punished, etc)

Bigotry is too dangerous to allow to flourish - it is _extremely_ volatile, probably one of the most easily ignited causes of mass-murder ever known to mankind, us-vs-them, even in total peacetime you can rally people to become bigots - as we see even IN peace time, bigots hide away untill they're welcome.

I know, dude, I'm of very little help here
I can see all the problems that come from excessive political correctness, backlashes etc, and of course the horrible result of allowing bigotry to go unchecked.

The solution? For people not to be dicks. A non-dick isn't gonna care who is gay or black, and will judge a person by his or her merits, and nothing else.
Unfortunately, most people are dicks, and will take the extreme road "ALL NIGGERS MUST DIE!" "A NIGGER MUST NEVER DIE! NO! WAKE HIM BACK UP!!!"
only a minor minority going "Eh, his name is Ronald, and he is just taking a nap."

Exactly. Obama may be black, but he's a fuckface. I'd like for people to start looking at his work more objectively.

[DirtDawg]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

You forget we were still fighting British influence and we are still today!!

As a set of British colonies, trying to become free from a king it may have took us two hundred years to even come close, but we are still trying.

[DirtDawg]

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Obama is our first  BLACK president. Most of us are allowing him some latitude.  His doctrine in history will be laid to question, but not so much as our allowing him a full rope with which to hang himself. Our tolerance MIGHT be ignored as history "remakes itself."  However, I think all of us will bear a burden due to his way of executing the duties of his office.

Obviously, you missed my earlier point.

Union begins at your next door neighbor's house.  Our Union of Great States is stronger because of the "unity"  we all share with our neighbors.

The Plurality of our populace defines the best of all that there are on this globe - freedom seekers, all of us. Every single one of us came from a place that was LESS FREE!!  Seeking is the first battle!!  It is not yet accomplished, but it is the continued attempt to attain all those freedoms we assume "to be self evident"  that continues to set us apart from all you who are willing to give in to various forms of tyranny.

IF you are talking about how difficult it is to fly or travel in this nation, you must realize, it is NOT any of US that we are being wary of; it is those of you who would not respect or even dismiss our freedom so frivolently as to make yourselves a threat to what we believe.

Trust me, I do know that my kind (gun owners, like small government, low taxes, prefer personal freedoms) only hold a small advantage in numbers. I am looking forward to the day when we have identified all those NON-AMERICANS within our borders and sent them all to Gitmo.

Other than that, fuck all your pretentious bullshit! 



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

An argument can be made as such...

However, being a devout NON-racist, myself,  I wonder how far the left can be allowed to carry this game. Some of us are beginning to wonder.

You DID read and understand the "far reaching" explanation I presented. How many people do you know who are twenty or more years past voting age? I am looking at a small cross section of those who I personally know. I am not pretending to know what the entire country expects from our President. 

The Office of the Presidency MUST be respected, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the sitting President. 

Do recognize that in just one more vote, we voters can overthrow the entire government.  Obama can no longer serve, and fifty to seventy per cent of sitting Congressional offices CAN be replaced.   

It is all up to us to decide.

God Bless the USA!!



LOL upon Tig. Yes, if you did not want me to invoke GOD, in the spirit of humour, then STFU!!  LOL

 

[TheoK]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

You forget we were still fighting British influence and we are still today!!

As a set of British colonies, trying to become free from a king it may have took us two hundred years to even come close, but we are still trying.

 

What the hell does "British influence" have to do with slavery in America?

[RageBeoulve]

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Obama is our first  BLACK president. Most of us are allowing him some latitude.  His doctrine in history will be laid to question, but not so much as our allowing him a full rope with which to hang himself. Our tolerance MIGHT be ignored as history "remakes itself."  However, I think all of us will bear a burden due to his way of executing the duties of his office.

Obviously, you missed my earlier point.

Union begins at your next door neighbor's house.  Our Union of Great States is stronger because of the "unity"  we all share with our neighbors.

The Plurality of our populace defines the best of all that there are on this globe - freedom seekers, all of us. Every single one of us came from a place that was LESS FREE!!  Seeking is the first battle!!  It is not yet accomplished, but it is the continued attempt to attain all those freedoms we assume "to be self evident"  that continues to set us apart from all you who are willing to give in to various forms of tyranny.

IF you are talking about how difficult it is to fly or travel in this nation, you must realize, it is NOT any of US that we are being wary of; it is those of you who would not respect or even dismiss our freedom so frivolently as to make yourselves a threat to what we believe.

Trust me, I do know that my kind (gun owners, like small government, low taxes, prefer personal freedoms) only hold a small advantage in numbers. I am looking forward to the day when we have identified all those NON-AMERICANS within our borders and sent them all to Gitmo.

Other than that, fuck all your pretentious bullshit! 



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

An argument can be made as such...

However, being a devout NON-racist, myself,  I wonder how far the left can be allowed to carry this game. Some of us are beginning to wonder.

You DID read and understand the "far reaching" explanation I presented. How many people do you know who are twenty or more years past voting age? I am looking at a small cross section of those who I personally know. I am not pretending to know what the entire country expects from our President. 

The Office of the Presidency MUST be respected, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the sitting President. 

Do recognize that in just one more vote, we voters can overthrow the entire government.  Obama can no longer serve, and fifty to seventy per cent of sitting Congressional offices CAN be replaced.   

It is all up to us to decide.

God Bless the USA!!



LOL upon Tig. Yes, if you did not want me to invoke GOD, in the spirit of humour, then STFU!!  LOL

 

The presidential office should be respected, but like you said we the people are his employer. Patterns of misconduct are grounds for termination of employment.

[Jack]

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

Didn't really mean to prompt you to change your statement to an emotionally honest one, but that was awesome, Lit.

[DirtDawg]

Just the fact that someone seriously mentions God shows that he is by no means an intellectual equal.

Why? There are plenty of intellectuals who believe in God.

An intellectual equal to whom, by the way?

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

An intellectual equal to me, of course. But of course he never was. He doesn't think for himself but sounds pretty much like a parody of a stupid Republican.

Dude, I may concede a few points of order upon your education of esoteric subjects of which I have lost interest, but in question of  individual WISDOM? 

Honestly, I think we could spar a bit more.  What I see in you is one sided-ism. You have seen me flying through both sides of most arguments. I bow to one side of your arguments, but get FUCKING real!!

What about the other side?!!!

Are you seriously going to ignore most of the world to promote your anarchist ideals?

I do not claim to be wise upon any more than a few subjects, but there are times when I must take a stand against these types of one-sidedness, "Friend."

[DirtDawg]

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Obama is our first  BLACK president. Most of us are allowing him some latitude.  His doctrine in history will be laid to question, but not so much as our allowing him a full rope with which to hang himself. Our tolerance MIGHT be ignored as history "remakes itself."  However, I think all of us will bear a burden due to his way of executing the duties of his office.

Obviously, you missed my earlier point.

Union begins at your next door neighbor's house.  Our Union of Great States is stronger because of the "unity"  we all share with our neighbors.

The Plurality of our populace defines the best of all that there are on this globe - freedom seekers, all of us. Every single one of us came from a place that was LESS FREE!!  Seeking is the first battle!!  It is not yet accomplished, but it is the continued attempt to attain all those freedoms we assume "to be self evident"  that continues to set us apart from all you who are willing to give in to various forms of tyranny.

IF you are talking about how difficult it is to fly or travel in this nation, you must realize, it is NOT any of US that we are being wary of; it is those of you who would not respect or even dismiss our freedom so frivolently as to make yourselves a threat to what we believe.

Trust me, I do know that my kind (gun owners, like small government, low taxes, prefer personal freedoms) only hold a small advantage in numbers. I am looking forward to the day when we have identified all those NON-AMERICANS within our borders and sent them all to Gitmo.

Other than that, fuck all your pretentious bullshit! 



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

An argument can be made as such...

However, being a devout NON-racist, myself,  I wonder how far the left can be allowed to carry this game. Some of us are beginning to wonder.

You DID read and understand the "far reaching" explanation I presented. How many people do you know who are twenty or more years past voting age? I am looking at a small cross section of those who I personally know. I am not pretending to know what the entire country expects from our President. 

The Office of the Presidency MUST be respected, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the sitting President. 

Do recognize that in just one more vote, we voters can overthrow the entire government.  Obama can no longer serve, and fifty to seventy per cent of sitting Congressional offices CAN be replaced.   

It is all up to us to decide.

God Bless the USA!!



LOL upon Tig. Yes, if you did not want me to invoke GOD, in the spirit of humour, then STFU!!  LOL

 

The presidential office should be respected, but like you said we the people are his employer. Patterns of misconduct are grounds for termination of employment.

Yeah, but I will not allow any foreign entity to Dis' our president without standing up for the office in general.  While we may elect another president shortly, I will defend the office  of the presidency!! NO entity shall take shots at our executive branch without consequences, regardless of which man sits in the office!

I never took such an oath (what about you?), but I am an American! 

God Bless the USA!!

[DirtDawg]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

You forget we were still fighting British influence and we are still today!!

As a set of British colonies, trying to become free from a king it may have took us two hundred years to even come close, but we are still trying.

 

What the hell does "British influence" have to do with slavery in America?

You have to be kidding!!  Remember, all British colonies were slave colonies.

As a set of distributive colonies, WE, NOW FREE STATES, had to fight two wars to remove the British army from our shores.

It took another seventy something years AND a CIVIL War to set our Constitution to reflect our continued resolve and complete the effort.

Once we had met this goal, no longer will the English have providence over this land, WE WISH!!  Still we fight against what should have been done with once our Declaration was presented to the King.

There should NEVER have been need of a Thirteenth Amendment to our Constitution since all the proper wording was set down from the start!!

... and finally in the twenty second century, we, as a nation of plurality, accepting all who enter seeking freedom,  WE are still trying to beat down racism LEFT OVER from the influence of former British rule!!

... get it?

Sorry, it was actually the Thirteenth Amendment. I get them confused in order sometimes, BUT NEVER get the meanings wrong.

We should NEVER have needed to have a constitutional amendment abolishing slavery, except for the horrid leftovers of British rule, which allowed such as a matter of course.