America, fuck yeah!

[Jack]

Just the fact that someone seriously mentions God shows that he is by no means an intellectual equal.

There's a difference between intellectual and emotional honesty. Thinking most believers call it faith for a reason, and can't see how any type of faith, religious or otherwise, could be used to measure intellect.

[Semicolon]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

There was no USA in 1335.

[Jack]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

There was no USA in 1335.

Pedant.

[odeon]

Just the fact that someone seriously mentions God shows that he is by no means an intellectual equal.

Why? There are plenty of intellectuals who believe in God.

An intellectual equal to whom, by the way?

[odeon]

Speaking of freedom: outright slavery was abolished in Sweden proper in 1335. When was slavery abolished in the USA? Oh, in 1865, just 530 years later.

There was no USA in 1335.

And therefore no slavery.

[TheoK]

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Obama is our first  BLACK president. Most of us are allowing him some latitude.  His doctrine in history will be laid to question, but not so much as our allowing him a full rope with which to hang himself. Our tolerance MIGHT be ignored as history "remakes itself."  However, I think all of us will bear a burden due to his way of executing the duties of his office.

Obviously, you missed my earlier point.

Union begins at your next door neighbor's house.  Our Union of Great States is stronger because of the "unity"  we all share with our neighbors.

The Plurality of our populace defines the best of all that there are on this globe - freedom seekers, all of us. Every single one of us came from a place that was LESS FREE!!  Seeking is the first battle!!  It is not yet accomplished, but it is the continued attempt to attain all those freedoms we assume "to be self evident"  that continues to set us apart from all you who are willing to give in to various forms of tyranny.

IF you are talking about how difficult it is to fly or travel in this nation, you must realize, it is NOT any of US that we are being wary of; it is those of you who would not respect or even dismiss our freedom so frivolently as to make yourselves a threat to what we believe.

Trust me, I do know that my kind (gun owners, like small government, low taxes, prefer personal freedoms) only hold a small advantage in numbers. I am looking forward to the day when we have identified all those NON-AMERICANS within our borders and sent them all to Gitmo.

Other than that, fuck all your pretentious bullshit! 



GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

Don't bother. DirtDawg wants to live in denial.

[TheoK]

Just the fact that someone seriously mentions God shows that he is by no means an intellectual equal.

Why? There are plenty of intellectuals who believe in God.

An intellectual equal to whom, by the way?

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

An intellectual equal to me, of course. But of course he never was. He doesn't think for himself but sounds pretty much like a parody of a stupid Republican.

[TheoK]

Of course IQ isn't everything. I know several persons who have a higher IQ than I have but are unable to grasp many things. I have notcied that the "nerd personality" is often unable to understand philosophy and politics and is also surprisingly narrow-minded and lacks imagination of their own.

But when you just puke up exactly the propaganda that the powers that be want you to puke up, you are simply outright stupid. What I posted earlier is the unpleasant but simple truth:

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

[TheoK]

If the US government demands all guns to be registered, DirtDawg will probably obey. What will he do if guns are banned? I don't think it will happen within decades, but you can never know.

In Greece the gunlaw is pretty harsh. Yet in Crete there are like ten times more illegal guns than legal ones. Those Cretans are freedom-lovers for real, because they do what they know is morally right, which has nothing to do with laws written on paper. In America most people have legal guns and shout about freedom at the same time that they let the government screw them over more and more for each day.

[Semicolon]

Just the fact that someone seriously mentions God shows that he is by no means an intellectual equal.

Why? There are plenty of intellectuals who believe in God.

An intellectual equal to whom, by the way?

In my humble opinion you are not an intellectual if you believe in God, because a person who believes in something without reason has a flawed intellect.

An intellectual equal to me, of course. But of course he never was. He doesn't think for himself but sounds pretty much like a parody of a stupid Republican.

We all believe in things without reason. Do you claim that every thought and belief that you have is perfectly rational?

Of course IQ isn't everything. I know several persons who have a higher IQ than I have but are unable to grasp many things. I have notcied that the "nerd personality" is often unable to understand philosophy and politics and is also surprisingly narrow-minded and lacks imagination of their own.

But when you just puke up exactly the propaganda that the powers that be want you to puke up, you are simply outright stupid. What I posted earlier is the unpleasant but simple truth:

How much infringements do you have to have on things before you call it a tyranny? You have less freedom than in Europe except what guns concerns (in a few states and cities you actually have harsher gunlaws than in most of Europe!) and you don't use those guns to what they were once intended for.

I'm actually pretty sure that Franklin and Jefferson would have called someone like Obama a tyrant.

Lit: Do you ever elect police officers in Sweden? We elect sheriffs in America.

Besides, this thread is not called "America, fuck no!"

[TheoK]

We all believe in things without reason. Do you claim that every thought and belief that you have is perfectly rational?

No, but I would never believe in something as stupid as God just because I felt the urge to have some kind of superior authority or because I couldn't believe in the scientific theories about universe. Believing in God or Allah or whatever is to put stupidity in system.

Lit: Do you ever elect police officers in Sweden? We elect sheriffs in America.

No, we don't, but the whole system with having a police is wrong. The whole system of having a state is wrong. It's actually almost as wrong as believing in God. The sickest thing is that people don't understand that things like genocide, slavery etc. are just possible because states exist but claim that it would be worse in an anarchy. In an anarchy no one would have the tools for genocide, slavery etc, because you need a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence to oppress people to start with.

In America you believe or pretend to believe that you are some kind of revolutionaries, but someone supporting a government is never a revolutionary.

It's ridiculously obvious. You have 1000 persons. You give each of them an identical gun. Who would be able to oppress someone else? No one. That's how an anarchy works. In the state you take away the guns or "allow" private citizens to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles. The state owns machine guns, cannons, tanks, missiles, atom bombs!. Still people are unable or unwilling to see this, because it's a very unpleasant fact.

Besides, this thread is not called "America, fuck no!"

Whatever.

["couldbecousin"]

No, we don't, but the whole system with having a police is wrong. The whole system of having a state is wrong. It's actually almost as wrong as believing in God. The sickest thing is that people don't understand that things like genocide, slavery etc. are just possible because states exist but claim that it would be worse in an anarchy. In an anarchy no one would have the tools for genocide, slavery etc, because you need a hierarchy and a monopoly on violence to oppress people to start with.

In America you believe or pretend to believe that you are some kind of revolutionaries, but someone supporting a government is never a revolutionary.

It's ridiculously obvious. You have 1000 persons. You give each of them an identical gun. Who would be able to oppress someone else? No one. That's how an anarchy works. In the state you take away the guns or "allow" private citizens to own pistols and semi-automatic rifles. The state owns machine guns, cannons, tanks, missiles, atom bombs!. Still people are unable or unwilling to see this, because it's a very unpleasant fact.

   So, in an anarchy, it would NEVER occur to anyone to ambush his neighbors, rob them of their guns, and acquire power over them?
   I don't see how anarchy can change human nature.  Everyone might start out equally armed and evenly matched on Day One
   of this new society, but I guarantee, human nature being what it is, there would still be dominant personalities
   who would eventually assert themselves and rise to power.  How would you prevent this from happening?   

[TheoK]

So, in an anarchy, it would NEVER occur to anyone to ambush his neighbors, rob them of their guns, and acquire power over them?

Of course it would. But then he would eventually be shot by someone, because without a monopoly on violence you don't have superior firepower to start with and can thus easily be defeated before you have acquired it.

   I don't see how anarchy can change human nature.  Everyone might start out equally armed and evenly matched on Day One
   of this new society, but I guarantee, human nature being what it is, there would still be dominant personalities
   who would eventually assert themselves and rise to power.  How would you prevent this from happening?   

You must learn people not to accept authority. Oppression was possible to start with only because those opposing being dominated by some psychopath were in a minority. If everyone had had the mentality of Spartacus or John Brown or Lysander Spooner there would never have existed oppression to start with, because the oppressors in spe would have been - rightfully! - killed before acquiring any dominance.

[ZEGH8578]

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

YES!
If he was white he would SO be in fucking prison - just like George Bush jr, Bill Clinton, George Bush sr, and all the other white guys who came before, bombed the shit out of countries, used false-flags, and/or went as a global symbol for gvt corruption, such as Nixon!

But just cus Obama is BLACK... he totally avoids prison. UNFAIR! Typical America, prisons FILLED with white, corporate people.

[RageBeoulve]

Actually I think all this tolerance Obama is being shown is racism. If he wasn't a black man, nobody would ever put up with the blatant overreaching of power he repeatedly commits.

YES!
If he was white he would SO be in fucking prison - just like George Bush jr, Bill Clinton, George Bush sr, and all the other white guys who came before, bombed the shit out of countries, used false-flags, and/or went as a global symbol for gvt corruption, such as Nixon!

But just cus Obama is BLACK... he totally avoids prison. UNFAIR! Typical America, prisons FILLED with white, corporate people.

Bush DOES belong in prison, and he can't even leave the country anymore because tons of other countries call him a war criminal and have sworn to bring him to justice. Obama was recently called a war criminal in Ireland, but here in America any negative criticism of him is treated like a crime.