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Offline BUBBASAURUS_RAEP

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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #75 on: October 09, 2013, 12:37:40 PM »
Defund the goddamn drug war. NOW!


It will save billions every year and this money can be used for things that benefit people: Like affordable healthcare and social security.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2013, 12:43:49 PM »
That was actually a reasonable suggestion, Cartman. I'm shocked.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2013, 06:08:57 PM »
Unfortunately, SG, the individual mandate does mean we are required by law to own an insurance policy.  There is no public option or single-payer, and in red states like mine there will be no expansion of Medicaid.  You can give money you don't have to an insurance company, or you can go without and pay a fine. 

There's a lot of garbage on the right wing about the country being bankrupted or crop circles or something, but that bit is true. 
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2013, 06:12:40 PM »
Indeed it is.  :thumbup:
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2013, 11:20:51 PM »
Quote from: Gotboredwithlions on October 09, 2013, 06:08:57 PM
There's a lot of garbage on the right wing about the country being bankrupted or crop circles or something, but that bit is true.

That bankruptcy is the real problem, here. You can shut down your government for a while and that will hurt your credit worthiness, not to mention your credibility, but that bankruptcy risks everything.

What amazes me is that it's not news. It's been known for decades.

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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2013, 11:41:55 PM »
Quote from: odeon on October 08, 2013, 11:58:03 AM
I read earlier today that the Chinese are reacting, now. They are worried, and they should be.

Everyone should be very worried. A U.S Default would likely trigger another great depression.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #81 on: October 10, 2013, 09:59:00 AM »
Quote from: odeon on October 09, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
Quote from: Gotboredwithlions on October 09, 2013, 06:08:57 PM
There's a lot of garbage on the right wing about the country being bankrupted or crop circles or something, but that bit is true.

That bankruptcy is the real problem, here. You can shut down your government for a while and that will hurt your credit worthiness, not to mention your credibility, but that bankruptcy risks everything.

What amazes me is that it's not news. It's been known for decades.

Yes.. it.. HASSS.. *veins pop out on forehead*

MY COUNTRY IS SUFFERING BRAIN DAMAGE
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #82 on: October 10, 2013, 04:03:56 PM »
Ah, just read up on the info about being required by law to buy an insurance policy. It doesn't seem unreasonable- either you're insured or you pay a tax. They call it a penalty, but its a tax. It is only collected via your tax returns; and while you file your taxes you indicate whether you need to be exempt. There are a lot more reasons for exemptions than I would have thought- for instance you don't have to pay if you recently experienced domestic abuse.

This is where I found info (if u scroll to the bottom you can pick a question):
https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/#question=how-is-the-penalty-collected

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Quote from: hykeaswell on December 08, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
Quote from: sg1008 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2013, 05:14:20 PM »
Quote from: sg1008 on October 10, 2013, 04:03:56 PM
Ah, just read up on the info about being required by law to buy an insurance policy. It doesn't seem unreasonable- either you're insured or you pay a tax. They call it a penalty, but its a tax. It is only collected via your tax returns; and while you file your taxes you indicate whether you need to be exempt. There are a lot more reasons for exemptions than I would have thought- for instance you don't have to pay if you recently experienced domestic abuse.

This is where I found info (if u scroll to the bottom you can pick a question):
https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/#question=how-is-the-penalty-collected

You're also exempt if you work for the president.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2013, 05:56:59 PM »
Beginning in 2018, I get to pay about $9000 more in taxes, per year, because of my 'Cadillac' health insurance.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2013, 05:58:37 PM »
Quote from: McGiver on October 10, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
Beginning in 2018, I get to pay about $9000 more in taxes, per year, because of my 'Cadillac' health insurance.

If you have insurance you don't have to pay a tax.

But...$9000? I am pretty sure this is a joke but I don't get it...  :apondering:
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Quote from: hykeaswell on December 08, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
Quote from: sg1008 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2013, 06:01:31 PM »
In the last two years we have seen our insurance go from great to mediocre and our out of pocket costs close to triple while the cost for the policy go up 40% 
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2013, 06:28:55 PM »
Quote from: sg1008 on October 10, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: McGiver on October 10, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
Beginning in 2018, I get to pay about $9000 more in taxes, per year, because of my 'Cadillac' health insurance.

If you have insurance you don't have to pay a tax.

But...$9000? I am pretty sure this is a joke but I don't get it...  :apondering:

I know.
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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2013, 06:47:52 PM »
Quote from: RageBeoulve on October 10, 2013, 06:28:55 PM
Quote from: sg1008 on October 10, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: McGiver on October 10, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
Beginning in 2018, I get to pay about $9000 more in taxes, per year, because of my 'Cadillac' health insurance.

If you have insurance you don't have to pay a tax.

But...$9000? I am pretty sure this is a joke but I don't get it...  :apondering:

I know.

What does it mean?
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Quote from: hykeaswell on December 08, 2014, 04:14:58 AM
Quote from: sg1008 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:27 AM
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Government shutdown time!
« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2013, 07:19:12 PM »
Quote from: sg1008 on October 10, 2013, 05:58:37 PM
Quote from: McGiver on October 10, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
Beginning in 2018, I get to pay about $9000 more in taxes, per year, because of my 'Cadillac' health insurance.

If you have insurance you don't have to pay a tax.

But...$9000? I am pretty sure this is a joke but I don't get it...  :apondering:
google the Cadillac insurance tax.

My benefits are valued at between  40-50 thousand per year.
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