Iowa FTW

[RageBeoulve]

Actually "legally blind" is a matter of legislation and quite clear. The details may differ between your country and mine, but not significantly, as I understand it.

Being "liable" will not help if the damage is already done.

Let's see...in Iowa a few blind people might get guns. They might mistakenly shoot innocent people when firing the guns in self-defence. In Sweden you are not allowed to carry a gun in self-defence at all, which means that an armed criminal or a criminal with a knife or just a physically stronger criminal or a number of criminals might rob, rape, beat and kill you without you being able to defend yourself.

So which gunlaw poses the greatest danger to a law-abiding citizen?

Easy lit. You shouldn't challenge people's religion too much. 

[MLA]

 

[RageBeoulve]

Yeah, work the shaft.

[MLA]

Yeah, work the shaft.

Yes, telling me to suck your dick isn't at all bullying.  You are just a good guy, right?

[RageBeoulve]

Yeah, work the shaft.

Yes, telling me to suck your dick isn't at all bullying.  You are just a good guy, right?

And mercilessly pursuing someone to challenge them with ambigious unbacked claims isn't at all bullying. You're the heroine of this story. Mhm.

[TheoK]

Nothing wrong with heroin 

[RageBeoulve]

Bleeehehehehe

[bodie]

I don't understand how your right to gun ownership is so encapsulating.  Just the mere mention of any form of gun 'control'  seems to spark a reaction like this.   

Is it really the be all and end all of life?   For people to exercise their right to bear arms.  Even if they can't see?

I may be mistaken, but I get the idea that this dominates the brains of some American's a bit too much.

Perhaps I don't 'get it' because I live in a different part of the world.   

You actually are mistaken Bodie. I think yurop is a bit biased against us cowboys. See originally I was pointing out that Obama was pushing for hardcore gun control, trying to ban "assault" weapons, etc.

Then all of the sudden blind people can buy and use guns. I was making fun of that. Entertainingly enough, here comes a british socialist like Adam, spouting off anti-gun jargon, complete with "u r a terrorist", and "tanks an drones r too strong r u dumb?"

Yeah. See, recap: I was making fun of this legislation(give blind people guns), and a brainless anti gun nut takes that as an attack on their ideals. Ohhh the irony.

I was not having a go at you,  I saw in your humour in your previous post.  I was talking in general and to no one in particular.   

[RageBeoulve]

I don't understand how your right to gun ownership is so encapsulating.  Just the mere mention of any form of gun 'control'  seems to spark a reaction like this.   

Is it really the be all and end all of life?   For people to exercise their right to bear arms.  Even if they can't see?

I may be mistaken, but I get the idea that this dominates the brains of some American's a bit too much.

Perhaps I don't 'get it' because I live in a different part of the world.   

You actually are mistaken Bodie. I think yurop is a bit biased against us cowboys. See originally I was pointing out that Obama was pushing for hardcore gun control, trying to ban "assault" weapons, etc.

Then all of the sudden blind people can buy and use guns. I was making fun of that. Entertainingly enough, here comes a british socialist like Adam, spouting off anti-gun jargon, complete with "u r a terrorist", and "tanks an drones r too strong r u dumb?"

Yeah. See, recap: I was making fun of this legislation(give blind people guns), and a brainless anti gun nut takes that as an attack on their ideals. Ohhh the irony.

I was not having a go at you,  I saw in your humour in your previous post.  I was talking in general and to no one in particular.   

Good. You've been one of the more sensible voices. Didn't want you to get the wrong idea. 

[RageBeoulve]

BTW: Here is the result of big government and socialist ideology.



Important point- most don't want this to happen, but wouldn't you know it? Its happening anyway. "Addresses the nation to discuss the fate of Syria."

[TA]

I don't understand how your right to gun ownership is so encapsulating.  Just the mere mention of any form of gun 'control'  seems to spark a reaction like this.   

Is it really the be all and end all of life?   For people to exercise their right to bear arms.  Even if they can't see?

I may be mistaken, but I get the idea that this dominates the brains of some American's a bit too much.

Perhaps I don't 'get it' because I live in a different part of the world.   

I for my part never understood why not all people had the American view on guns, no matter their own gunlaws. How can you not think that owning a gun for self-defence is a right? It has puzzled me since I was 5 years old and my dad told me how hard it was to legally get a gun in Sweden vs. America.

I suppose I used to too.  I love gun's.  Used one in the army (although spent more time polishing and cleaning the mofo than firing it)

When I first moved into this house alone (before the urchin) i paid a lot of money for a Beretta pistol.  I was scared (Birmingham is twinned with scumsville) and had been burgled at my previous address.  I  came home to find them still upstairs ransacking my knickers drawer.  Hence the reason i got the pistol.

I rarely talk about it, and don't brag about it because it is gone.  One night while I was asleep on my sofa someone came through my patio door (ok ok it wasn't locked) and took the fucker from my hand.  While I slept.

Despite this, I still kept my views about owning a gun and that didn't change until I became a mom and this coincided with several 'massacre' incidents in the US involving children.  This made me believe that children have a right to grow up free from fear of being gunned down in their playground and that their right to do this supersedes anyone else's right to own a gun.  I know it is not that simple.  I can conveniently make it simple living in England. 

I ask you this with as much respect as possible... (seriously, no attempt at trolling)

Do you believe that another's rights end where your feelings begin?

Do you side with safety or freedom?

What if someone wanted to take away coffee because a child had a caffeine overdose? Would you have the same opinion?


What if someone wanted to take away cars because a child was hit by one? Would you have the same opinion?

[Pyraxis]

Here's the thing. The problem with a legally blind person (who may be able to see but just not read road signs) having a gun is they can't shoot straight enough for it to be safe, yes?

But a gun is not inherently safe. It's a lethal weapon for fuck's sake. Trying to make gun use "safe" is like trying to fly a plane without tilting it. Sure, it feels better to the central nervous system of people who are afraid of flying. But you're not going to get off the ground.

People are required to go to classes for gun safety in some places. Should they also be required to pass a marksmanship test and if so, how strict should the standards be? Because if you don't require a marksmanship test for every gun owner, I don't see how you can specifically forbid legally blind people. What about people with arthritis? With any number of conditions that can cause the hand to shake? What about the fact that under stress, marksmanship goes through the floor anyway?

[RageBeoulve]

Here's the thing. The problem with a legally blind person (who may be able to see but just not read road signs) having a gun is they can't shoot straight enough for it to be safe, yes?

But a gun is not inherently safe. It's a lethal weapon for fuck's sake. Trying to make gun use "safe" is like trying to fly a plane without tilting it. Sure, it feels better to the central nervous system of people who are afraid of flying. But you're not going to get off the ground.

People are required to go to classes for gun safety in some places. Should they also be required to pass a marksmanship test and if so, how strict should the standards be? Because if you don't require a marksmanship test for every gun owner, I don't see how you can specifically forbid legally blind people. What about people with arthritis? With any number of conditions that can cause the hand to shake? What about the fact that under stress, marksmanship goes through the floor anyway?

People are required to go to classes for gun safety in some places. Should they also be required to pass a marksmanship test and if so, how strict should the standards be?

Now that's the kind of gun control I can get behind. Promoting individual responsibility, instead of trying to impose an individual's (or small group of individuals') ideologies on an entire people. I wholeheartedly agree. HEAR HEAR.

how strict should the standards be?

That's what makes this an icky solution to most, Pyraxis. You're asking questions here that could actually lead to solving these problems. That takes work. Americans don't like work. They would much rather some political figure offer some half assed temporary patches with agendas cleverly hidden within to them. That way they don't have to use their tiny little brains. I will be the asshole I always am (haha), and jump at the chance to offer my viewpoint. I think that perhaps the safety course and rifle/pistol qualification taught by the army would be sufficient in teaching people how to responsibly handle firearms.

Because if you don't require a marksmanship test for every gun owner, I don't see how you can specifically forbid legally blind people. What about people with arthritis? With any number of conditions that can cause the hand to shake? What about the fact that under stress, marksmanship goes through the floor anyway?

FUCK! Exactly! If we're going to make a whole bunch of fucking laws, why not one that serves a purpose? Making it a requirement to prove one can handle a firearm instantly makes this "legally blind", or whatever other shit a non-issue! It takes the professional victimism out of the equation and puts everyone on an equal playing field.

 

[odeon]

I don't understand how your right to gun ownership is so encapsulating.  Just the mere mention of any form of gun 'control'  seems to spark a reaction like this.   

Is it really the be all and end all of life?   For people to exercise their right to bear arms.  Even if they can't see?

I may be mistaken, but I get the idea that this dominates the brains of some American's a bit too much.

Perhaps I don't 'get it' because I live in a different part of the world.   

I for my part never understood why not all people had the American view on guns, no matter their own gunlaws. How can you not think that owning a gun for self-defence is a right? It has puzzled me since I was 5 years old and my dad told me how hard it was to legally get a gun in Sweden vs. America.

I suppose I used to too.  I love gun's.  Used one in the army (although spent more time polishing and cleaning the mofo than firing it)

When I first moved into this house alone (before the urchin) i paid a lot of money for a Beretta pistol.  I was scared (Birmingham is twinned with scumsville) and had been burgled at my previous address.  I  came home to find them still upstairs ransacking my knickers drawer.  Hence the reason i got the pistol.

I rarely talk about it, and don't brag about it because it is gone.  One night while I was asleep on my sofa someone came through my patio door (ok ok it wasn't locked) and took the fucker from my hand.  While I slept.

Despite this, I still kept my views about owning a gun and that didn't change until I became a mom and this coincided with several 'massacre' incidents in the US involving children.  This made me believe that children have a right to grow up free from fear of being gunned down in their playground and that their right to do this supersedes anyone else's right to own a gun.  I know it is not that simple.  I can conveniently make it simple living in England. 

It's not that simple.

The other part of this is that not all legally blind people are the same. It's convenient to think that the blind just see a field of black, but the reality is that there are many different types of blindness, and I don't think it's right to judge anyone's ability to operate a firearm on such a broad standard as "blindness". Also, note that blind people are just as liable for what they do with their guns as sighted people are.

Actually "legally blind" is a matter of legislation and quite clear. The details may differ between your country and mine, but not significantly, as I understand it.

Being "liable" will not help if the damage is already done.

"Clear" and "broad" are two different concepts.

Indeed, but that is completely beside the point. Legally blind, in the eyes of the state, defines when your eyesight is bad enough to warrant help and extra services. I promise you, there is no state in the Western world that ever gets accused of too broad a definition when it comes to anything that might cost them.

[odeon]

Actually "legally blind" is a matter of legislation and quite clear. The details may differ between your country and mine, but not significantly, as I understand it.

Being "liable" will not help if the damage is already done.

Let's see...in Iowa a few blind people might get guns. They might mistakenly shoot innocent people when firing the guns in self-defence. In Sweden you are not allowed to carry a gun in self-defence at all, which means that an armed criminal or a criminal with a knife or just a physically stronger criminal or a number of criminals might rob, rape, beat and kill you without you being able to defend yourself.

So which gunlaw poses the greatest danger to a law-abiding citizen?

Statistically? Accidental shootings involving firearms in the home.

Let's allow them to be fighter pilots, too. Plenty of visually impaired people out there should be allowed to realise their dreams, ffs.