Iowa FTW

[odeon]

This is fun but also a bit boring because it doesn't actually go anywhere. It's a bit like stealing candy from a baby because it's so bloody easy but nevertheless leaves you feeling a bit guilty.

I don't see the fun at all. How can it be a triumph that you are unable to defend yourself from both "ordinary" criminals as well as the state?

And you are not winning any debate either. You do as you always do when it comes to something that you are obsessed with: claiming that you are right and your opponents are wrong (for some reason you can never prove this but must always belittle your opponents by twisting words, inserting smilies etc).

Actually I'm winning the argument by stating things that occur to me as fact. Your method seems to be to put words in my mouth. (by which I mean disagreeing with me.)

Hint: I'm getting cranky. I'm on my period.

Fixed.

It bothers you that you can't find an actual argument to combat mine with, doesn't it?

I just did. you want to take the catty approach? I know how to do that, too. 

You would have done it if you knew how.

[RageBeoulve]

This is fun but also a bit boring because it doesn't actually go anywhere. It's a bit like stealing candy from a baby because it's so bloody easy but nevertheless leaves you feeling a bit guilty.

I don't see the fun at all. How can it be a triumph that you are unable to defend yourself from both "ordinary" criminals as well as the state?

And you are not winning any debate either. You do as you always do when it comes to something that you are obsessed with: claiming that you are right and your opponents are wrong (for some reason you can never prove this but must always belittle your opponents by twisting words, inserting smilies etc).

Actually I'm winning the argument by stating things that occur to me as fact. Your method seems to be to put words in my mouth. (by which I mean disagreeing with me.)

Hint: I'm getting cranky. I'm on my period.

Fixed.

It bothers you that you can't find an actual argument to combat mine with, doesn't it?

I just did. you want to take the catty approach? I know how to do that, too. 

You would have done it if you knew how.

I've been doing it this whole time. I've repeatedly owned the shit out of you.   

[TheoK]

The really absurd thing is that you are denying the existence of universal rights and at the same demanding (some of) them (although you don't understand that they must be universal but think that they can be created somehow, which they can't).

Huh? wanna rephrase that?

You are denying that rights exist and at the same time claiming that they exist and that you can create them.

[odeon]

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

[TheoK]

I can't prove it but I don't have to either. It must simply be postulated.

Almost forgot this little gem. It's fucking hilarious.

It's nothing rare at all when it comes to philosophy. But in this case it's logically so that they either exist or don't exist, just like anything else. If they don't exist, it is not in human power to create them.

[RageBeoulve]

The really absurd thing is that you are denying the existence of universal rights and at the same demanding (some of) them (although you don't understand that they must be universal but think that they can be created somehow, which they can't).

Huh? wanna rephrase that?

You are denying that rights exist and at the same time claiming that they exist and that you can create them.

Narcassism, dude. Reality responds to his feelings and comfort.

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

I already did. Its in the quote I used to make that statement.

[odeon]

There can't be any rights but universal rights. You can't create them. A right that isn't a universal right is no right, because a right is either immanent or doesn't exist.

This is simply postulating something I disagree with. I can see that it is useful to you because without it, everything you say simply falls apart, but I have yet to see you attempt to prove it.

Good luck with that, btw. I won't hold my breath.

It's amazing that you with your brilliant brain must always resort to belittling and insulting.

Tell me how you create a right. By legislating and making the cops and courts implement the law in question? But that isn't creating a right.

You are the one talking about rights. I'm the one not believing in universal ones but stating that they are not the same as rights sans that universal part. AFAIK, I have not discussed rights other than disagreeing with your definition of them. I have certainly not mixed "rights" and legislation". Yet you keep putting words in my mouth.

Tell me why I should base anything I say on what you tried to put in my mouth.

[odeon]

This is fun but also a bit boring because it doesn't actually go anywhere. It's a bit like stealing candy from a baby because it's so bloody easy but nevertheless leaves you feeling a bit guilty.

I don't see the fun at all. How can it be a triumph that you are unable to defend yourself from both "ordinary" criminals as well as the state?

And you are not winning any debate either. You do as you always do when it comes to something that you are obsessed with: claiming that you are right and your opponents are wrong (for some reason you can never prove this but must always belittle your opponents by twisting words, inserting smilies etc).

Actually I'm winning the argument by stating things that occur to me as fact. Your method seems to be to put words in my mouth. (by which I mean disagreeing with me.)

Hint: I'm getting cranky. I'm on my period.

Fixed.

It bothers you that you can't find an actual argument to combat mine with, doesn't it?

I just did. you want to take the catty approach? I know how to do that, too. 

You would have done it if you knew how.

I've been doing it this whole time. I've repeatedly owned the shit out of you.   

[odeon]

The really absurd thing is that you are denying the existence of universal rights and at the same demanding (some of) them (although you don't understand that they must be universal but think that they can be created somehow, which they can't).

Huh? wanna rephrase that?

You are denying that rights exist and at the same time claiming that they exist and that you can create them.

Er, no.

[TheoK]

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

If you don't have a feeling of superiority, why are you belittling people all the time? Just because you own this board and score high on an IQ test doesn't mean that you are always right about everything.

You always treat people with contempt when it comes to some of your "holy cows".

[odeon]

I can't prove it but I don't have to either. It must simply be postulated.

Almost forgot this little gem. It's fucking hilarious.

It's nothing rare at all when it comes to philosophy. But in this case it's logically so that they either exist or don't exist, just like anything else. If they don't exist, it is not in human power to create them.

Er, no.

You say the situation is binary. I say it's not and have already given you an example that gives three options. It's not enough to postulate something, even in philosophy, without building on it, without disproving opposing viewpoints by expanding on the original postulation.

[odeon]

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

I already did. Its in the quote I used to make that statement.

Which I contested.

Fucking weak, Rage. Shows me that you aren't man enough to back up your words. Don't mistake my contempt for your words with a contempt for the country in which you live.

[TheoK]

I can't prove it but I don't have to either. It must simply be postulated.

Almost forgot this little gem. It's fucking hilarious.

It's nothing rare at all when it comes to philosophy. But in this case it's logically so that they either exist or don't exist, just like anything else. If they don't exist, it is not in human power to create them.

Er, no.

You say the situation is binary. I say it's not and have already given you an example that gives three options. It's not enough to postulate something, even in philosophy, without building on it, without disproving opposing viewpoints by expanding on the original postulation.

If rights exist, how would they exist if they are not immanent?

But if you say with absolute certainty that they don't exist and can't be created I don't understand why you want legislation. Legislation is to pretend that rights exist and are somehow connected to the laws, but you are not saying that either.

[TheoK]

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

I already did. Its in the quote I used to make that statement.

Which I contested.

Fucking weak, Rage. Shows me that you aren't man enough to back up your words. Don't mistake my contempt for your words with a contempt for the country in which you live.

There should be contempt for the US but not for the 2nd Amendment. That is something that is 100% right.

[odeon]

still waiting for you to back up this:

I can almost smell your contempt for us. Well fuck you too.

If you don't have a feeling of superiority, why are you belittling people all the time? Just because you own this board and score high on an IQ test doesn't mean that you are always right about everything.

You always treat people with contempt when it comes to some of your "holy cows".

Show me where the contempt is, Lit.

Here's the thing: I tend to win arguments by *arguing*. I don't buy the "argument" where you or Rage or someone else puts words in my mouth, where you claim to know what i think, that I somehow delude myself, that I pretend something different than what I actually believe to be right. I think that's where you frequently lose your argument because instead of producing an opposing viewpoint, you belittle mine by claiming that it's not what I'm saying at all, that I'm only *pretending*.

I am difficult to argue against, I know. I won't be making apologies for my intelligence or that number I got in a test, I simply make my points in any way I know of. If you want a serious argument with me, take your own argument seriously.

Or be prepared for me getting back at you using your own game.

In other words, don't belittle me and I won't belittle you. Treat me as you want to be treated. Pot kettle black and all that.