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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2013, 12:27:52 PM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Would you like to live in an Orwellian world? Because that is what we are going to have (and partly have already), if we just accept what bastards like the NSA are doing.

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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2013, 12:28:17 PM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.



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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2013, 01:57:50 PM »
Sorry, but wanting someone who basically revealed very damning privacy violations to be dead is disgusting. He should be congratulated for what he did.

I am not a believer of nutty conspiracies, but invasive surveillance is very much a real issue that needs to be tackled.

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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2013, 02:00:10 PM »
It certainly is. Judging from what I've been able to find out about the guy, and as much as I can find on his "crimes", I would call him a goddamn hero.
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2013, 08:15:46 PM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.





What does that have to do with Snowden?

Not that it's wrong.

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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2013, 08:54:57 AM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.





What does that have to do with Snowden?

Not that it's wrong.

Possum, are you still there?

It puts things in context. Do you honestly believe such people would treat snowden fairly?
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2013, 11:00:32 AM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.





What does that have to do with Snowden?

Not that it's wrong.

Possum, are you still there?

Kind of.  Every topic here turns into a circle jerk and I lose interest  ;)

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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2013, 11:21:48 AM »
Let me clarify a bit.  Eddie Snowden should be hung for being a pussy, not for leaking.  He took a perfect opportunity to actually foment change, and wasted it by running off to China and Russia.

While some people here get hard thinking about armed rebellion and the like, its a juvenile fantasy.  The only real change that has ever occurred in this country has been through non-violent sacrifice.  MLK outlined the ideal model in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail.  One of the most basic principles of civil disobedience to protest unlawful and immoral state action is a complete willingness to accept the consequences of your disobedience. 

Ghandi taught that one must maintain respect for the rule of law, even while disobeying the specific law that you perceive as unjust.  He also taught that one should always plead guilty to any violation of the law, and to take the penance of the oppressors upon yourself.  You should attempt to convert your opponent by demonstrating the justice of your cause.

Eddie could have told the world what he knew, and then sat in a jail cell while the world looked on and accused the US of punishing a whistleblower who outed immoral acts of the state.  Instead he flipped the script by acting like a guilty toddler and running off to Uncle Putin's house.  He changed the entire focus of the story to protect his lily white ass, and in doing so squandered the best possible opportunity to instigate real change.

Fuck Eddie Snowden.

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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2013, 12:54:42 PM »
Let me clarify a bit.  Eddie Snowden should be hung for being a pussy, not for leaking.  He took a perfect opportunity to actually foment change, and wasted it by running off to China and Russia.

While some people here get hard thinking about armed rebellion and the like, its a juvenile fantasy.  The only real change that has ever occurred in this country has been through non-violent sacrifice.  MLK outlined the ideal model in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail.  One of the most basic principles of civil disobedience to protest unlawful and immoral state action is a complete willingness to accept the consequences of your disobedience. 

Ghandi taught that one must maintain respect for the rule of law, even while disobeying the specific law that you perceive as unjust.  He also taught that one should always plead guilty to any violation of the law, and to take the penance of the oppressors upon yourself.  You should attempt to convert your opponent by demonstrating the justice of your cause.

Eddie could have told the world what he knew, and then sat in a jail cell while the world looked on and accused the US of punishing a whistleblower who outed immoral acts of the state.  Instead he flipped the script by acting like a guilty toddler and running off to Uncle Putin's house.  He changed the entire focus of the story to protect his lily white ass, and in doing so squandered the best possible opportunity to instigate real change.

Fuck Eddie Snowden.

At least he did something.  :dunno:
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2013, 01:06:42 PM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.





What does that have to do with Snowden?

Not that it's wrong.

Possum, are you still there?

It puts things in context. Do you honestly believe such people would treat snowden fairly?

No, I don't. But fair treatment for average criminals is a fair trial.

Let me clarify a bit.  Eddie Snowden should be hung for being a pussy, not for leaking.  He took a perfect opportunity to actually foment change, and wasted it by running off to China and Russia.

While some people here get hard thinking about armed rebellion and the like, its a juvenile fantasy.  The only real change that has ever occurred in this country has been through non-violent sacrifice.  MLK outlined the ideal model in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail.  One of the most basic principles of civil disobedience to protest unlawful and immoral state action is a complete willingness to accept the consequences of your disobedience.

Such as the American Revolution and the American Civil War?

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Ghandi taught that one must maintain respect for the rule of law, even while disobeying the specific law that you perceive as unjust.  He also taught that one should always plead guilty to any violation of the law, and to take the penance of the oppressors upon yourself.  You should attempt to convert your opponent by demonstrating the justice of your cause.

Eddie could have told the world what he knew, and then sat in a jail cell while the world looked on and accused the US of punishing a whistleblower who outed immoral acts of the state.  Instead he flipped the script by acting like a guilty toddler and running off to Uncle Putin's house.  He changed the entire focus of the story to protect his lily white ass, and in doing so squandered the best possible opportunity to instigate real change.

Fuck Eddie Snowden.

A better argument. :thumbup:
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2013, 01:12:15 PM »
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No, I don't. But fair treatment for average criminals is a fair trial.

Do you believe he would receive a fair trial? I mean we don't even know for sure what he actually did other than what the piss stream media blabs to us.

Take a look at the Zimmerman case. Do you think that case was handled by professionals?
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2013, 01:14:59 PM »
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No, I don't. But fair treatment for average criminals is a fair trial.

Do you believe he would receive a fair trial? I mean we don't even know for sure what he actually did other than what the piss stream media blabs to us.

Take a look at the Zimmerman case. Do you think that case was handled by professionals?

The Zimmerman case wasn't about whistleblowing.

No, I don't think that Snowden would receive a fair trial. Does that mean that we should give up on that ideal?
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2013, 01:17:30 PM »
Why not back yourselves up instead of posting bare assertions?

Here you go.





What does that have to do with Snowden?

Not that it's wrong.

Possum, are you still there?

Kind of.  Every topic here turns into a circle jerk and I lose interest  ;)

The fun thing about circle jerks is that everyone gets off. ;)

This time, there's no one in the middle for us to :squit: on. :P
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2013, 01:23:51 PM »
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No, I don't. But fair treatment for average criminals is a fair trial.

Do you believe he would receive a fair trial? I mean we don't even know for sure what he actually did other than what the piss stream media blabs to us.

Take a look at the Zimmerman case. Do you think that case was handled by professionals?

The Zimmerman case wasn't about whistleblowing.

No, I don't think that Snowden would receive a fair trial. Does that mean that we should give up on that ideal?

....

Would you bang your head against a three foot thick steel wall, even if you knew it to be impossible to break through that way?
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Re: Fair treatment for Ed Snowden
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2013, 01:35:11 PM »
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"