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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2013, 02:18:36 PM »
The US helped Japan. Isn't Japan an important business partner and has a strategic position?

You run into that problem with any act of altruism anyone does. Even if it doesn't directly benefit the altruist, doesn't it benefit him/her by making the altruist feel good?

Unfortunately, I have no way around that rhetorical speed bump.

Here is an article describing US aid to Pakistan, and the effect on US-Pakistani relations.

Pakistan also has a strategic position.

Has the US ever helped a really poor African country without a strategic position and without valuable resources?

Ethiopia

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2013, 02:20:13 PM »
The US helped Japan. Isn't Japan an important business partner and has a strategic position?

You run into that problem with any act of altruism anyone does. Even if it doesn't directly benefit the altruist, doesn't it benefit him/her by making the altruist feel good?

Unfortunately, I have no way around that rhetorical speed bump.

Here is an article describing US aid to Pakistan, and the effect on US-Pakistani relations.

Pakistan also has a strategic position.

Has the US ever helped a really poor African country without a strategic position and without valuable resources?

Ethiopia

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2013, 02:25:00 PM »

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2013, 02:28:05 PM »


That does indeed describe the majority. I still don't think we should interfere though.
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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2013, 03:38:05 PM »
British MPs have voted against possible military action against Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons.

David Cameron said it was clear the British Parliament does not want action and "I will act accordingly".

The government motion was defeated 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2013, 03:45:58 PM »
The Young Turks reported that most Americans do not want to go after Syria. 

It's not 9-11 any more. 



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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2013, 04:14:18 PM »
British MPs have voted against possible military action against Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons.

David Cameron said it was clear the British Parliament does not want action and "I will act accordingly".

The government motion was defeated 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

Yes,  it was looking all day like another vote would be inevitable,  but Cameron has accepted defeat.  Will America still strike without their egor - ally?
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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2013, 06:25:02 PM »
British MPs have voted against possible military action against Syria to deter the use of chemical weapons.

David Cameron said it was clear the British Parliament does not want action and "I will act accordingly".

The government motion was defeated 285 to 272, a majority of 13 votes.

Yes,  it was looking all day like another vote would be inevitable,  but Cameron has accepted defeat.  Will America still strike without their egor - ally?

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2013, 08:37:59 PM »
The US helped Japan. Isn't Japan an important business partner and has a strategic position?

You run into that problem with any act of altruism anyone does. Even if it doesn't directly benefit the altruist, doesn't it benefit him/her by making the altruist feel good?

Unfortunately, I have no way around that rhetorical speed bump.

Here is an article describing US aid to Pakistan, and the effect on US-Pakistani relations.

Pakistan also has a strategic position.

Has the US ever helped a really poor African country without a strategic position and without valuable resources?

You keep moving the goalposts, Lit. You asked for examples of US intervention that met various qualifications, and I've met them all. I posted the article about Pakistan because the analysis posits that the US is reaping few benefits from its humanitarian aid to Pakistan. As I mentioned before, any act of altruism can be construed as being selfish; this is a logical dilemma that cannot be avoided. Why not just admit that the US sometimes does things to benefit the people of other nations without necessarily expecting a benefit for itself?

The US sends a lot of money to Africa. I've included a source with a list of countries where American aid is sent.

Quote from: US Aid
USAID assistance to 49 African countries totaled $6.4 billion in 2011, including $1.6 billion in humanitarian assistance and food aid.

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2013, 08:52:18 PM »
Semi, hows come your current IP address is that of a known comment spammer

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2013, 08:59:13 PM »
Sweden has a population smaller than 3% of the US population. Yet Sweden gives 4.5 billions in humanitarian aid: Source

So I'm not impressed at all.

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2013, 09:05:22 PM »
Semi, hows come your current IP address is that of a known comment spammer

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Never know what you get

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The address you are on now is that of a known Spam Harvester and Comment

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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2013, 09:06:30 PM »
Sweden has a population smaller than 3% of the US population. Yet Sweden gives 4.5 billions in humanitarian aid: Source

So I'm not impressed at all.

Sweden needs to help its own people, then help others. So does the U.S. and all those other countries. I hate politics.
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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2013, 09:06:51 PM »
Sweden has a population smaller than 3% of the US population. Yet Sweden gives 4.5 billions in humanitarian aid: Source

So I'm not impressed at all.

I don't care if you're impressed. I care that I've met your points and you haven't met mine. Besides:

But that's not the topic here. We are talking about the United States of America invading other countries since 150 years back for false reasons.

I don't recall posting that the US is the most humanitarian country in the world, nor that we are complete altruists. You've asked me to back myself up regarding US foreign aid and I have. Now back yourself up.
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Re: Attack on Syria imminent
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2013, 09:10:50 PM »
Semi, hows come your current IP address is that of a known comment spammer

Thats what you get for using proxies, especially Tor

Never know what you get

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The address you are on now is that of a known Spam Harvester and Comment

Spammer out of Amsterdam

Not surprised.
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