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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #180 on: July 25, 2013, 08:49:48 PM »
I think the only legit issues we face are pretty much attempts at more surveillance and the erosion of individual privacy and freedoms. Lots of tinfoily speculation in those areas, but also lots of proper evidence too.

A quick example is your average smartphone. If you're seen as a threat by the authorities, you're pretty much fucked. You can easily be tracked down, have your calls listened to and so on.

I think the problem though is not just the government, but the increasing technological advancements. If we're not careful, such technology can be a detriment rather than a benefit. Alas, we have indeed not being careful.

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #181 on: July 26, 2013, 12:37:53 AM »
AND we have a space alien in our midst. :zoinks:
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #182 on: July 26, 2013, 10:37:35 AM »
Did someone mention the prince of saiyans?
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #184 on: July 27, 2013, 11:07:14 AM »
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy

What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development  Both sides have things that are true to a point  but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum.  I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #185 on: July 27, 2013, 12:58:30 PM »
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy

What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development  Both sides have things that are true to a point  but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum.  I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information

Agreed.
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #186 on: July 27, 2013, 03:56:33 PM »
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy

What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development  Both sides have things that are true to a point  but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum.  I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information

I trust what I agree with, regardless of the political source. Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.


I read it by the way. It sounds like some whiny limp-wrist butthurt that so many americans oppose this obviously communistic design. ITT: fuck em. If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else. Or perhaps they can be a bit more reasonable, a little less socialist, and be willing to make some concessions. BIG ones. We don't have to make concessions about the structure and constitution of our OWN COUNTRY. It belongs to us, after all.
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #187 on: July 27, 2013, 04:48:09 PM »
The thing is to find out the truth for yourself. But the truth is, most people are lazy like me and would rather sit around all day farting into the couch. :P
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #188 on: July 27, 2013, 05:34:31 PM »
The thing is to find out the truth for yourself. But the truth is, most people are lazy like me and would rather sit around all day farting into the couch. :P

Do yourself and your family a favor and get some of these http://www.neatorama.com/2006/05/21/anti-fart-chair-pad/
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #189 on: July 27, 2013, 05:35:08 PM »
Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.

The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.

However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.

If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.

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If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.

So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.

I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.

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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #190 on: July 27, 2013, 05:43:23 PM »
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/here-it-isthe-smoking-gun-and-agenda-21?f=energy

What do you expect from a very conservative site like that? Here is the other side from the opposite side Mother Jones http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/11/tea-party-agenda-21-un-sustainable-development  Both sides have things that are true to a point  but viewed from opposite sides of the spectrum.  I would trust neither of them as an accurate source of unbiased information

I trust what I agree with, regardless of the political source. Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.


I read it by the way. It sounds like some whiny limp-wrist butthurt that so many americans oppose this obviously communistic design. ITT: fuck em. If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else. Or perhaps they can be a bit more reasonable, a little less socialist, and be willing to make some concessions. BIG ones. We don't have to make concessions about the structure and constitution of our OWN COUNTRY. It belongs to us, after all.

Well that's what you get at Mother Jones and if they read your source they would say something similar about those right wing wackos, using either as source material isn't the best move.
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #191 on: July 27, 2013, 05:48:33 PM »
Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.

The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.

However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.

If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.

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If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.

So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.

I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.

"Its okay to turn America into another country"

Says the guy from another country. I loled, dude. Yeah, my country has some serious problems right now, and they're being made worse by the socialist agenda. Big government, is B-A-D for us.
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I am the passion; I am the warfare.
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #192 on: July 27, 2013, 05:51:55 PM »

However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country.

Where is it? Where's my government healthcare option? Where's my Obamacare?
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #193 on: July 27, 2013, 05:55:38 PM »
Anti-American ideas steering my country towards anti-American values? ATTACK. Just the way it is, man.

The people in the US I have nothing against, but the US itself? For the most part, it fucking sucks. I'd much prefer my national healthcare and other aspects that most European countries embrace. Your country is often false and tacky (particularly your TV). Your country's foreign policy is atrocious and to me, the most damning.

However, the recent developments like "Obamacare" is a welcome change, and is gradually showing how the US is maturing as a country. Next thing the US should do is to stop acting like they're the world police.

If I were to visit, It would mostly be for the food really. At least the food's awesome. The price of the dollar is brilliant too, which means I can get stuff MUCH cheaper from the US than buying it here.

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If they don't like this country, they can fuck off somewhere else.

So what if they don't like it? I think they've a right to stay as much as you do. Kicking out people for having different views and opinions only really erodes personal liberties even further.

I don't subscribe to blind patriotism. I don't have to like my country in order to stay here, especially once I'm not committing crimes and contributing to society. In fact, I hate my country and most of it's inhabitants - but I have friends here, a family and an education to go through.

Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is,  it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined.  Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules.  Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined.  All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it.  We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more.  So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?
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Re: Agenda 21
« Reply #194 on: July 27, 2013, 06:17:03 PM »
Obamacare is not what you or many other think it is,  it's NOT heath insurance it's a mandate that you buy heath insurance or get fined.  Only full time people will be able to get it through work so a lot of places are only hiring part timers to get around the rules.  Part time people have to get it on their own through insurance exchanges or get fined.  All insurance companies have been raising their prices in anticipation of it.  We get it through my wife's work and our cost is 600-800 a month for the family plan on your own it would be double or more.  So how are all these part timer low wage types going to pay for that?

It's also killing a lot of small businesses, because they're now required to provide health insurance. Since the employer bears half the cost of premiums, they either can't afford it or they can only offer their employees crappy insurance policies that don't cover much more than what's paid in each year in monthly payments. It's crap.