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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2013, 04:34:20 PM »
I've already been doing that, though. Trying to suggest anything about the system people depending on being corrupt instantly makes one the enemy though. Or an idiot. Or a lunatic. I mean its like most people have some kind of deep seeded phobia of the truth, and they react violently and irrationally if you give them the slightest taste of it. Example, suggest the federal reserve is responsible for almost all of America's current problems, and see what kind of a reaction you get out of people. Many would actually raise their voice at you, and accuse you of being a terrorist or something. If anyone is interested in what I mean by the federal reserve being bad, I refer you to this simplistic and easy to understand cartoon.



Anyway, yeah. You didn't really answer my question. I'm generally seen as an asshole, because I consistently and aggressively oppose this fantasy in every way that I can, with every chance that I get. Because its been getting worse and worse for a while, and its getting worse faster and faster.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2013, 05:57:14 PM »
I've already been doing that, though. Trying to suggest anything about the system people depending on being corrupt instantly makes one the enemy though. Or an idiot. Or a lunatic. I mean its like most people have some kind of deep seeded phobia of the truth, and they react violently and irrationally if you give them the slightest taste of it. Example, suggest the federal reserve is responsible for almost all of America's current problems, and see what kind of a reaction you get out of people. Many would actually raise their voice at you, and accuse you of being a terrorist or something. If anyone is interested in what I mean by the federal reserve being bad, I refer you to this simplistic and easy to understand cartoon.



Anyway, yeah. You didn't really answer my question. I'm generally seen as an asshole, because I consistently and aggressively oppose this fantasy in every way that I can, with every chance that I get. Because its been getting worse and worse for a while, and its getting worse faster and faster.

I oppose it in a different way....actually (and this is without viewing that vid so I apologise if I say anything that doesn't need to be said) but the american dream-so called- was always a lie.

In fact, I don't blame anyone except the american people for the fuck ups this country has gone through. it started out with genocide, slavery, elitism, and incredible phobia and prejudice against most people and cultures in the world...including women, the poor, etc etc etc etc etc.

People turned the other cheek, let this stuff happen. Not much has changed...there is still a tendency to look away, or place blame on someone else when things are rotten. Like mentioned, ppl are comfortable feeling like an innocent bystander, they don't care to take personal responsibility for horrible horrible things, which would actually make them less horrible in the end.


It angers me that our entire society exists at the expense and suffering of others. It is common knowledge most products are made in sweat factories, etc...but do ppl care? Same thing when ppl were living off of slave manufactured products....same kinds of laissez faire, innocent bystander, 'its not my problem' attitude that allows businesses and govts to get away with atrocities. its our own damn fault when we choose to look the other way.

No one has compassion for other people...they scoff at the poor, disadvantaged, the sick, the ones at the bottom of it all. They keep trying to distance themselves from "that" and rise to the level of the indifferent wealthy. They care not about the earth, about their impact on other ppls lives, about anything but their own piece of the pie. They play the same game that the politicians do, except at a lower level, with smaller stakes. But its the same game, with the same consequences.

/rant
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2013, 06:00:41 PM »
You actually did just describe a lot of the video. But yes I agree. It our fault for allowing this to happen. Maybe people react so violently to the truth because that's a painful thing to admit.

But again, wtf am I supposed to do? How do I fight against that? Its like the perfect setup worldwide for tyranny.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2013, 06:21:04 PM »
But mermaids are real I saw the vid :zoinks:
"Eat it up.  Wear it out.  Make it do or do without." 

'People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.'
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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2013, 06:24:09 PM »
You actually did just describe a lot of the video. But yes I agree. It our fault for allowing this to happen. Maybe people react so violently to the truth because that's a painful thing to admit.

But again, wtf am I supposed to do? How do I fight against that? Its like the perfect setup worldwide for tyranny.

Educate yourself about human rights. Be cognizant of them and prepared to defend them in your work, school, watching the news, etc. Educate others when the topic comes up. Support rights' movements by understanding them. Since there are so many, zone in on local issues. Understand whats going on in your county. Learn about attacks on your neighbors rights, and the environment around you. Learn about your local demographics...who are the minorities...any jails nearby?

You don't have to be an activist, just have an open ear whenever someone has a grievance...try to understand them--then next time your buddy doesn't understand something you can explain. You probably already do this to an extent.

Knowledge is power. TRUE knowledge is power. Speculation is weakness. Focus on the truth/facts first. Then you can take a gander at speculative theories. Look at the little people...what happens to them first happens to you second. What rights are being attacked in communities less advantaged than you? They are your canaries.

If you want to educate others, focus on sharing knowledge more than winning arguments. Most people don't know their basic human rights. Make a poster about it...you can even do a presentation about it at your school. I wish I was still in school, there is so much I could do.

Most importantly, be compassionate...people can sense the difference between being "offered" information, and having it rammed down their throats. If they ignore the info, not your problem...you can spend maybe two seconds feeling sorry for them, then move on. Getting angry at them only wastes your energy, puts you in an early grave.

Look at some good things going on in the world and get inspiration...again, knowledge is power. Never stop learning. Never assume someone has nothing to offer.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 06:25:48 PM by sg1008 »
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2013, 02:22:46 PM »
We should be neighbors.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2013, 06:56:25 PM »
We should be neighbors.

We essentially are. Algonquin territory, Ohio river.
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2013, 07:00:14 PM »
Yeah.  :zoinks:
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2013, 07:02:44 PM »
Yeah.  :zoinks:

Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2013, 07:05:22 PM »
Yeah.  :zoinks:

Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.

Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2013, 07:10:27 PM »
Yeah.  :zoinks:

Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.

Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*

This Agenda 21...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

Forget practicality, or your experience....can you just....imagine?

It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2013, 07:15:09 PM »
Yeah.  :zoinks:

Some Ojibwe and other Indians will be walking the Ohio river some time soon. If I join them on foot, I may end up near where you live.

Yeah, if we're still free to move in groups by then. Read agenda 21. Advise others to read it as well. Spread that knowledge as fast as you can. *ALARM*

This Agenda 21...? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

No. That's a wiki covering some small details about it and whining that its hard to ram it down people's throats. I posted the actual document in the Agenda 21 thread.

Fair warning. It will shock you to your core. At first it looks reasonable. Even progressive. But there are pieces of shit, sprinkled in it. As if to try and slip them by. And oh god, those pieces of shit are straight from satan's ass. I'm not joking man.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2013, 07:16:41 PM »
Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2013, 07:23:55 PM »
Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.

I'll check it out...I am weary of looking at those vids though, ppl can twist stuff in anyway they like- in some ways certain conspiracy theorists are exactly like politicians. I will read the actual document for my self...and later perhaps look at a few other sources.
Can't you guys even just imagine it?

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It's there. It always was.

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Re: Using Logic to quit worrying
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2013, 07:28:28 PM »
Matter of fact, I found a video on youtube, where someone gives a short and easy to understand lecture. That should make it easier. Posting it in the agenda 21 thread. Prepare yourself.

I'll check it out...I am weary of looking at those vids though, ppl can twist stuff in anyway they like- in some ways certain conspiracy theorists are exactly like politicians. I will read the actual document for my self...and later perhaps look at a few other sources.

Good good. As long as you see the kind of stuff i'm talking about is actually in there, i'm a tad relived that someone like you also has that information.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"