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http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat?feature=watch

She is brilliant. She argues an anti-feminist POV, really bloody well.

She provides some great counterpoints in her long critiques.

The problem i find is that I find myself agreeing blindly with most of what she says and find it hard to refute her pervasive and persuasive arguments. She is pretty bloody good
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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 10:22:38 AM »
Which one?

I don't have unlimited fast Internet.  Streaming video takes up lot of mb.

Wouldn't it be more convincing of her if she'd do her videos naked.? I mean, women aren't objectified.
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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 10:27:38 AM »
She is pretty easy on the eyes. But she is smart. Really smart.
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 10:29:59 AM »
If she wants to really prove a point she should do it naked.

I'm not in a place where I can stream video, ATM, but I'm guessing much of her talk has to do with economic issues?
What about the objectification of women.  That us at the root of all that women struggle with.
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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 10:36:46 AM »
If she wants to really prove a point she should do it naked.

I'm not in a place where I can stream video, ATM, but I'm guessing much of her talk has to do with economic issues?
What about the objectification of women.  That us at the root of all that women struggle with.

No she covers a lot of things and puts a whole new perspective on a lot of issues relating to men and women and is very strident and staunch anti-feminist. I find it hard to fault her, though i am not as strident. A lot of stuff too that she brings out is stuff that I have kinda half thought over and has never sounded, or felt right. Doesn't quite make sense or seem sensible and answers previously given have not sounded quite on the money. Then she comes along and those same things come out and suddenly it makes a bit more sense. a big "Aha, that actually makes sense" moment
I2 today is not i2 of yesteryear. It is a knitting circle. Those that participate be they nice or asshats know their place and the price to be there. Odeon is the overlord

.Benevolent if you toe the line.

Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

Censoring/banning/restricting/moderating myself, Calanadale & Scrapheap were all not his finest moments.

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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 10:49:29 AM »
http://owningyourshit.blogspot.com.au/2013/04/my-address-to-ny-state-libertarian.html

Here is text, interesting read.

11000 posts!!! Holy fucking shit!
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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 12:18:40 PM »

Saturday, 27 April 2013

My address to the NY state libertarian party convention



Hi, everyone. Firstly, I want to thank Gary for inviting me to speak here, and thank all of you for being open to the different perspective I'm hoping to present to you.

Some of you--maybe all of you--might be asking yourselves, what on earth is an anti-feminist gender theorist doing speaking at a libertarian party convention. What the heck does gender, or feminism, have to do with libertarian politics and philosophies? The answer to that question is at once extremely complex, and very, very simple.

The simple answer is this: Gender influences everything. Including the size, scope and decisions of government.

And now, to complicate things a little.

On the microscale, gender affects the way men and women think, how they feel, how they process their interactions with the world, what motivates them, what influences them, what is important to them, what incentives are going to affect their behavior, and how. It affects how we perceive other people depending on whether they are male or female. It impacts on what we feel is appropriate, regarding both the behaviors, responsibilities and roles we expect of others, and the behaviors, responsibilities and roles we feel are appropriate for ourselves. It affects what roles and vocations, on average, a given person will find themselves suited to or interested in.

On the macroscale, gender affects the way society feels about people, depending on whether they're male or female, what expectations society has of them, what obligations society is prepared to place on them, how, and how much, society cares about them. It influences whose voices society is prepared to trust on what issues and in what situations. It affects society's willingness to punish or forgive, who society is interested in holding responsible and accountable for wrongs done, who society is prepared to devote resources to help or protect, and who society is prepared to cut loose.

So gender is kind of a shortcut societies and governments use when sorting priorities. Who is deserving of our help, support and protection--socially, legally and governmentally--and who is less deserving, or perhaps not deserving at all? How should that help be implemented, and how should it not, how much are we willing to spend, and how much institutional power and scope should government have to involve itself in the lives of citizens?

To demonstrate these effects of gender I'm talking about, I'm going to make a few statements, and I want you all to pay attention to how you feel when I say them. They're statements I've culled from published books, newspapers, or the speeches of politicians, though you'll notice I've flipped the genders for effect:

Men can do anything women can. And do it better. And do it with one hand tied behind their backs. --Barack Obama

When a woman strikes a man, she strikes all of society. --Hillary Clinton said exactly that about violence against women.

Women CAN stop false allegations of abuse and rape. --The "Men can stop rape" poster campaign is making an appearance on campuses across the US and Canada.

It cannot be assumed that women are bound to be an asset to family life, or that the presence of mothers in families is necessarily a means to social cohesion. --This gem, about how unnecessary fathers are, is from UK equalities minister Harriet Harman. She might be forgiven this sentiment if it wasn't grossly inaccurate.

A mall roof caved in yesterday, killing 23 people and injuring more than 100. Tragically 4 men and one child were among the dead. --all right, that's from any newspaper story about any tragedy. We hear about women and children because that makes a tragedy more tragic.

I want to see a woman beaten to a bloody pulp with a workboot shoved into her mouth like an apple in the mouth of a pig. --Change woman to man and workboot to high heel, and you've got second wave feminist Andrea Dworkin's attitude.

Or even this: "It is an amazing thing to see in our city the husband of a laundress, or a fishwife, or a housemaid dressed in velvet with chains of gold at the throat, with silver buckles and boots of good value....and then in contrast to see his wife washing the clothes, chapped and bedraggled from the day's labor, poorly dressed.... but whosoever considers this carefully will find it reasonable, because it is necessary that the gentleman, even if low born and humble, be arrayed in such fine form for his natural excellence and dignity, and the woman be less adorned as if a slave, or a little ass, born to his service." --And this is perhaps the most interesting of all, since a gender-flipped version of it was written by Lucrezia Marinella, and published in her book "The nobility and excellence of woman and the defects and vices of men" in the year 1600.

Feels kind of weird, doesn't it? These are statements you would NEVER hear or read in mainstream culture as I changed them--not even in the year 1600--some of them because they'd be repulsive to us, and others because it would just never occur to us to think or feel in those ways. All because of the way we as humans perceive, and have always perceived, men and women.

And while feminism claims to have worked very hard to dismantle all of these individual and society-wide assumptions about men and women, if you scratch the surface of their ideologies and their efforts, what you find is all of those assumptions human societies have always held, dialled up to 11. Not only has feminist activism manipulated and exploited all of these age-old perceptions about gender, for political, legal, economic and social gain, it has only amplified them in the cultural zeitgeist.

It is very much a case of, "Say hello to the new boss, even more sexist than the old boss."

I've been asked before to describe what exactly I'm doing with my blogging and video lectures and it's a difficult question to answer. I'm an advocate for the issues of men and boys, certainly, but first and foremost, I'm an anti-feminist. My task, as I see it, is to try to uncover the nature of things, and then deprogram as many people as I can. To encourage people to think from a different angle, to entertain thoughts that are forbidden in our politically correct culture, to educate as many as I can about the hidden nature of society, gender and ideological feminism.

Among those of us who talk about these issues, it's called "taking the red pill".

As for why I'm here, hoping to convince libertarians to think from that different angle? Well, there's a strong libertarian streak that runs right through the center of the men's movement, and there's definitely a reason for that.

Canadian libertarian philosopher Stefan Molyneux once described feminism as "socialism in panties."

As I'm sure any of the men here will attest to, anything, no matter how destructive or unprincipled, is probably going to look more appealing and less sinister if it has a female face and you put it in a pair of panties.

I'm not going to bore you with a detailed history of the marriage of feminism and marxism. For that, I'll refer any who are interested to a lengthy but fascinating lecture by Soviet ex-patriot Valdas Anelauskas, who describes a courtship between two ideologies that began in the mid-1800s and has now become the foundation of feminist thought. I will simply note that Karl Marx, in his communist manifesto, emphasized how very important women would be to any communist revolution, and that the best way to secure the support of women would be to convince them of the plural nature of their oppression--as workers, they were oppressed by the elites, and as women, they were oppressed by their husbands, fathers and even sons. In essence, he posited that if a system that respected the concept of property rights oppressed the male worker, this same system that placed economic authority in the hands of men doubly oppressed the wives and daughters of those male workers.

Though radical feminism has never severed its ties with communism, as early as the 1920s, feminism had essentially co-opted and repurposed Marxist theory to describe the structure of society relating to the interaction of the sexes. The intellectual backlash against feminism that began within the marxist community around the turn of the 20th century, with E Belfort Bax and Robert Briffault, was quashed through intimidation, censorship and skilful use of emotionally charged propaganda.

By the 1960s, when the western world's love affair with communism had begun to fizzle, communism's red-headed stepdaughter, feminism, was only growing in popularity. The sexier, less threatening, more benign-seeming Trojan Mare upon which marxists had relied to sneak their ideology past the gates of the western world had outgrown its helpmeet role, and taken on a life of its own.

By this era, a discrete and quintessentially Marxist theoretical model of gender had become entrenched in the intellectual sphere, a model based on class conflict theory and postmodern discourse. While communist thought was confined to a small pocket of what the mainstream mostly thought of as misguided weirdos, feminist thought, slapped together from the exact same bricks and mortar, became not only fashionable, but had spawned its own branch of academia, sponsored and enabled by unwitting democratic governments across the west.

While historical views on the sexes had maintained that men and women were distinctly different but complementary partners--role mates, as Dr Warren Farrell has described it--this new feminist model cast all aspects of society as oppressive and exploitive systems wherein men embodied the Bourgeoisie, and women the Proletariat.

Most of this model--The Patriarchy--and its sub-theories are little more than post hoc rationalizations based on emotional reasoning, easily swallowed by the well-meaning public because of the evidence that stands out most starkly to us given our natural, evolved views of gender. Humans have always been more emotionally reactive to the harms, injuries, injustices, complaints and perils affecting women, and more likely to see women as nurturing, benign, kind, well-meaning and deserving of protection. We have always been more likely to see men as strong, sturdy, capable of self-sufficiency, potent and potentially threatening, and these perceptions inform our reactions when men suffer harms, injuries, injustices and dangers, and when they dare to complain about them.

Because of these innate perceptions, when feminists pointed up toward the top of society and showed us mostly men, we didn't bother to direct our attention down to the bottom of society so we could see the mostly men there, as well. We all saw a glass ceiling, but not a glass cellar, and allowed feminists to convince us that all aspects of society, the formalized and the informal, were male-dominated and male-controlled, and that women, as a class, were utterly powerless and subjugated under this system.

Marriage was redefined under this model, from a partnership where both parties contributed and benefitted, to a form of sexual slavery and unpaid drudgery for women where wives were subjugated and exploited for their husbands' express benefit. Under second wave feminism, family was reinterpreted as an institution based on exploitation--instead of all members working together for the benefit and shared success of all members, women were recast as powerless subordinates, providing unreciprocated labor toward the raising of HIS children, and the keeping of HIS house, labor that freed husbands to pursue economic and social power outside the home.

It didn't matter that most men had little more access to economic and social power than most women, or that what power men achieved they were expected to share equitably with their families. Feminists were too busy pointing upward at the congressmen, bank managers and CEOs and crying injustice, to show us the taxi drivers, garbage men, plumbers, loggers, fishermen, miners, construction workers, factory laborers, field workers, roughnecks and janitors. They envied the power of generals and statesmen, but spared no thought for the thousands of young footsoldiers dead in the trenches. They were jealous of the self-determination that made an industrialist rich beyond dreaming, but when that self-determination produced a different outcome for the mostly male population of tramps, beggars and hobos it was invisible to them.

They focus solely on the men above and don't even notice the men below.

The 23 cent average, apples to oranges, annual wage gap is STILL, in their minds, the height of sexist injustice, but the greater than 90% workplace death gap is...well, who cares?

Traditional ways of providing for and protecting women that were necessary in the pre-industrial past, were reinterpreted by feminism as male oppressors keeping women down all through history, for men's benefit. Domestic violence--a social problem that has ALWAYS been gender-symmetrical--became synonymous with violence against women. A husband's historical right to conjugal relations was redefined as marital rape, while a wife's *identical right*--one that for centuries if denied was legal grounds for divorce and could even get a man excommunicated from his church--that part of history was essentially erased from modern scholarship, even as it is upheld and reinforced by feminist activism. In fact, according to current feminist theories on domestic violence, a man withholding sex or affection from his female partner, whatever the reason, is a form of domestic abuse, and a man in France was recently required by a judge to pay his ex-wife over $10,000 in punitive damages because he didn't give her enough sex during the marriage.

The traditional obligation of a woman to defer to her husband's authority was defined as "oppression", but her husband's obligation to die in a trench to protect his country and family...that became "male privilege" and when enough people protested the hubris of that assertion, it became "Patriarchy hurts men too."

Under The Patriarchy, all men are privileged by their maleness, and all women oppressed by their femaleness. And if men are, as a class, the privileged Bourgeoisie, if men hold collective power over society, then all men are culpable for the oppression and exploitation of all members of the female Proletariat, and any discrimination a man might face in society is just his own privilege backfiring on him.

According to radical feminists, the drastic technological and economic changes that occurred during the last century--medical advances that virtually eliminated deaths in childbirth and drastically decreased infant and child mortality rates, changes that rendered the workplace as comfortable and safe as your living room, safe and reliable birth control, industrialization, automation, prosperity, plenty and an unprecedented level of individual security--none of this has anything to do with anything. Even prior to those changes, during a history in which a woman might spend half her adult life pregnant or nursing children, where most labor was gruelling, dangerous and simply beyond the physical capabilities of women, where life was often brutal and brief, and where men bore a legally enforceable obligation to provide for the material needs of all family members, the fact that men bore the economic authority as well as all the economic burdens of a family was a system specifically designed to disempower women.

According to radical feminists, your grandfathers and great grandfathers were rapists and slave-masters who exploited, subjugated and violated the women who were nearest and dearest to them--their own mothers, sisters, wives and daughters. According to radical feminists, every atrocity ever committed throughout all of history can be laid at the door of normative masculinity, but every male-generated advance--calculus, alternating current, the telegraph, the transistor, radio, penicillin, the number system, hydro-electricity, microwaves, fiberglass, the theory of relativity, the periodic table, trigonometry, insulin, canned foods, vaccines, fire retardant, teflon, wireless communications, the microchip, the birth control pill and even tampons--is a result of men intentionally holding women back, keeping women down, refusing to allow women to achieve, and hogging all the power and glory.

You see how this all works? All the evils of history, admittedly committed mostly by men are evidence of men's oppressive natures. And all the advances of civilization, because they were generated almost exclusively by men, are equally evidence of men's oppressive natures. Even the exceptional and wonderful things men achieved that have benefitted all of us, are not evidence that men embody anything good. In fact, they demonstrate the opposite. They are evidence that the "old boys' club" modern feminists complain about today dates all the way back to the pleistocene, when women would have eagerly hunted mastodon with babies strapped to their breasts, and carved back a jungle filled with leopards and bears, if only men had not enslaved them and thereby deprived them of the opportunity to do so.

This is what they believe. This is what ideological feminism IS. It describes women's experience through all of history as identical to the experience of blacks under slavery. You know, actual oppression, subordination and exploitation without any compensatory benefit.

To clarify, what were the "upsides" to being black in America during slavery? Can anyone here name a single white slave owner who ever died to save the lives of his black slaves? Who ever gave up a space in a lifeboat to his black slave and chose himself to go down with a ship? Who ever stood with a rifle between his black slaves and an enemy to defend their lives, rather than his right to own them?
Can anyone even imagine a white slave owner working 16 hours in a field while his black slave stayed inside most of the day and kept his house tidy, then coming home and sharing the fruits of his labors with his black slave?
Did a black woman who was the sexual partner of a white slave owner have any expectation of respect, lifelong provision or shelter, or of sharing the benefits of his quality of life and his social status? Or was she just an object of the moment, free to be used and cast aside at will? Did a black man who was obligated to obey his owner's wife have any legal right or recourse when she pointed a finger and claimed he raped her? Or was he swinging from a tree within hours?
Can anyone imagine a reality where a white slave owner would perform physically gruelling or dangerous work because his black slave was incapable of it? Or would he simply set more slaves to the task, or work his slave to his death, or discard his used-up slave and buy a better one? If women were truly oppressed by men, would they have been spared the most onerous and dangerous work because they were less physically capable of it, or would men have simply assigned more women to the task?
Can anyone here name a single black person, man or woman, who rose to a state-sanctioned position of serious political power during slavery? Off the top of my head, I can name a ton of women who have been heads of state, going as far back as Ancient Egypt. The greatest and most notable black leaders emerging from Jim Crow America and apartheid South Africa rose to influence by opposing the government, not rising within it, because they had no avenue to power within a system that oppressed them.

Slavery and oppression are defined as obligation and disadvantage without compensatory benefit. Does anyone here think women, who were a tiny minority, tenths of a percent, among the 10 million military personnel who died during WWI, derived no benefit from the traditional system? Heck, one of the few ways a man could duck conscription was to be married--a man could literally avoid mandatory military service if his wife would be inconvenienced by it. And yet this system existed to benefit men at the expense of women?A system of top-down oppression, according to feminists, that is no different from the experience of blacks under slavery?

If you perceive the history of gender relations as being remotely similar to the history of slavery in the US, it's no shock to hear feminist Robin Morgan, editor of Ms. Magazine, claim, "Man-hating is an honorable and viable political act. The oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."

Yet as childish, simplistic and absurd as this model was, it wasn't long before it had become firmly entrenched in academia, in the humanities and the arts--in sociology, anthropology, psychology, history, women's studies and gender studies, the very faculties and programs associated with education, social work, journalism, the law and political science. The very branches of society most able to influence public perception. And because of all those things I was talking about at the beginning of this presentation, public perception was vulnerable to the half-truths presented to it, disguised as the whole picture.

And the really awesome thing about this model is that as long as enough people believe it, even just a little, as long as enough people can be convinced to see men as the Bourgeoisie who have always unjustly benefitted from their exploitation of women, and women as the Proletariat who have always been forced to toil and slave without benefit under the boot-heel of those privileged men, you can justify anything.

If men are believed to have always collectively held power and economic privilege through the enslavement of women, if all of men's authority since the dawn of time was ill-gotten through the unreciprocated exploitation and violation of women, then women are entirely justified in stealing it back, and the state is justified in assisting them. It becomes acceptable, justified and appropriate for women to expropriate men's undeserved and unearned power by any means necessary, including state coercion.

And this attitude is not confined to family law, domestic violence law and sexual assault law--the primary areas where men's interests conflict with women's interests, and where the state has been quietly at work, eroding due process protections and equal treatment under the law, and building bloated and ravenous mechanisms that suck up dollars and power while curtailing civil liberties. It's everywhere. It informs economic and employment policy, health spending, criminal law, everything.

According to Dr Warren Farrell, the government has passed more laws to protect women in the workplace from dirty jokes than it has to protect men from injury and death due to faulty rafters on construction sites. And nearly everyone in society, especially women, seems to feel this is an appropriate allocation of resources.

One need only watch the Life of Julia, Obama's most naked and blatant appeal to the natures of women--especially young, single women. Julia has no father, and no husband--she needs neither of those things. The state will take care of her needs from birth to death, and will support her when she decides to have a child of her own--a child that, in Obama's narrative, is also fatherless. The man in Julia's life, the one who will perform the roles--provision, protection, support--historically performed by husbands, brothers and fathers, is more powerful than any man she'll ever meet, more able to provide for her, and one she need make no compromises with.

Julia will never have to pick up this man's dirty socks, or put up with him snoring or farting in bed, or consider his needs, or provide him with respect, love or affection. He is the ultimate provider and the ultimate protector, and he will ask nothing of her in return but her vote.

And he'll give her all those benefits through a system that coerces net taxpayers and net tax-generators, of whom a disproportionate number are men, to surrender their productivity while offering them neither mutual benefit nor voluntary association. This feels right and just to feminists, because the state is merely assisting Julia in stealing back what was wrongfully taken from women, as a class, by men, as a class. This feels like a great deal to Julia, since all she has done is replace a man with whom she would be required to bargain freely, with a state that provides her all the same benefits without the messy business of having to trade anything valuable for them.

If women today in the west can be said to be married to the state, in a very real sense, men are married to it as well, and the obligations expected of them are the same as they always have been. In this marriage, men pay at least 75% of the tax revenue into the system, and reap a disproportionately tiny percentage of its protections and benefits. In this marriage, the state enforces the obligations of husbandhood after divorce, and the obligations of fatherhood even when men did not consent to become fathers, and even when they are allowed no meaningful role in the lives of their children.

In this marriage, the resources men put in are diverted toward the additional protection of women through the erosion of men's legal protections and civil rights. In this marriage, men are expected to pay for a system that not only does not serve them, that not only offers nothing back to them, that has not only made a mockery of due process protections for them, but one that even handicaps their ability to perform these obligations by favoring women in the prioritization of education and employment, and by facilitating the removal of fathers from the lives of children who need them.

The state is, essentially, forcing men to finance a system that disenfranchises them. And the state is, essentially, paying women to disenfranchise men, and handicap their own children. Social responsibility is enforced on men through penalty of imprisonment, while for women, social irresponsibility means a check in the mail every month.

A lot of people have wondered aloud why there aren't more female libertarians. If there's a reason, it might lie in a lack of incentive. Big government costs the vast majority of men--their wealth, their civil liberties, their autonomy, sometimes their freedom--but for most women, big government represents an insurance policy and a perpetual subsidy of their personal choices, good or bad. Men pay, women benefit.

If women sprinted down the aisle to offer their hands in marriage to the state, for men, it was a shotgun wedding, coercive by its very nature. And the influence of radical ideological feminism on government and legal policy has ensured that this marriage is as abusive as they come.

When Gary told me about his experiences with family court and its affiliated agencies, I told him, "If you weren't a libertarian before all of this, I can certainly see why you're one now." What used to be a voluntarily accepted obligation on the part of men, is now extracted from them at the point of a gun, and often there is no way for them, no matter how well they comply, to avoid being shot.

One example of what men's tax dollars disproportionately support, which lies in direct opposition to the interests and rights of men, would be the institutionalization of the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence.

This model is the feminist conceptual framework of family violence, and it is one that has been discredited by hundreds of studies across cultures--from the most modern western democracies to countries like Jordan and Namibia. According to Duluth, family violence is overwhelmingly male-perpetrated, and is motivated by men's and women's relative positions in society--by male social and political dominance and the expectation of female subordination. A man who batters his wife is not just asserting his dominance over her, he is expressing normalized masculinity. Abuse and coercive control of women, according to this model, is a not a pathology, but a natural function of male identity within a Patriarchal culture. Simply put, it's just what men do.

Every piece of legislation, every government policy and every publicly funded treatment program in the US regarding family violence, and the vast majority of them worldwide, employs this conceptual model.

Too bad it's bunk. As hundreds of studies demonstrate, in at least half of cases, partner violence is reciprocal. It involves men and women hitting each other, and what motivates men and women is pretty much the same: anger, poor conflict resolution skills, jealousy, a desire to control or discipline a partner, drug and alcohol problems, and external stress such as poverty. Women are as likely as men to report abusing their partners for all these reasons, and are more likely to engage in coercive control of a partner. More than that, they are more likely to be the one to initiate physical violence, and in cases of severe unilateral abuse against a non-violent partner, women are the perpetrators up to 70% of the time.

For every 8 women seriously injured by domestic violence, at least 5 men are also seriously injured. And perhaps most damningly, considering feminism's unwillingness to address women's perpetration of violence, the number one predictor of serious domestic violence injury in women is their own initiation of violence. It is when men are hitting them BACK that women are most likely to be hurt.

What all this means is that patriarchal terrorism--the Duluth model of intimate partner violence--is the most rare form of all--and yet the patriarchal terrorism paradigm informs all of our government funded mechanisms for intervention and treatment.

But it doesn't end there.

At least 35% of spousal murders are men murdered by their female partners. I say at least, because if a woman engages a hitman, boyfriend or relative to assist her in murdering her male partner, it is classified statistically not as spousal homicide, but as multiple-perpetrator homicide. Because of this, there is no way to know how many men are killed by their female partners each year.

More than this, women are the most likely demographic to perpetrate child abuse and neglect, even controlling for time spent with children, and the majority of young children murdered are murdered by their mothers. Biological fathers are, in contrast, the least likely demographic to abuse or kill young children, less likely than both biological mothers and stepfathers.

Statistically, the environment in which a woman is MOST safe from violence is in a stable marriage, and the environment in which children are the MOST safe from violence is one in which their parents are in a stable marriage.

Yet our entire system of family law, and our entire response to domestic violence, from the VAWA to local police department policies, is designed to encourage and facilitate divorce, to favor sole maternal custody arrangements, and to protect children from the very people least likely to abuse them.

Mandatory arrest policies coupled with predominant aggressor policies based on Duluth, ensure that 1) somebody gets arrested in any domestic violence incident, and 2) that regardless of who was assaulting whom, the person arrested will almost always be the larger, stronger, male partner.

A judge in Florida recently estimated that 80% of all temporary restraining orders granted in the context of divorce or child custody cases, requested almost entirely by women, are either fraudulent or unfounded. Divorce lawyers have called false allegations of domestic violence and sexual abuse of children, and the abuse of TROs merely part of the "gamesmanship" of divorce--a method by which a wife can secure automatic custody of both the children and the marital home, and leave an ex-partner scrambling to defend himself often without access to necessary documents or even a change of clothes. The average length of time it takes for a woman to obtain a TRO in an ex parte hearing is under 3 minutes. She need provide no evidence of prior abuse. All she has to tell the judge is that she feels afraid of her husband. The first any man might hear that such an order has been issued is when the police arrive to remove him from his home.

The advantages to a woman of abusing the system are many and myriad, and the disadvantages virtually nil. By the time a man has cleared his name, the children are often completely alienated from him. Family court judges will go so far as to admit that a mother has abused her own children through her abuse of process, but will hesitate to penalize her in any way. She will almost always retain custody because it would harm the children to place them in the care of a man they've been wrongly taught to hate and fear. Because she retains custody, if she's prosecuted, the children will suffer. If she's financially penalized in the divorce settlement, the children will suffer. If she's forced to pay him damages, the children will suffer. In some extreme cases, judges have completely, permanently stripped a man's rights and access to his children, explaining that the mother's persistent combativeness, false accusations and abuse of process had made it so that upholding that man's parental rights would only subject the children to more of their mother's abuse.

And while not every woman is going to take advantage of a system weaponized specifically for her use, the ex-wife of a friend of mine recently told him she was proud that she'd never availed herself of such measures during their divorce, despite three court-appointed officials encouraging her to make a false claim of domestic violence and thereby gain the upper hand in the process.

Feminist models of gender and domestic violence have institutionalized the assumption that all men are batterers or potential batterers, that dominating, controlling and abusing their female partners and their children is just part of what it means to be a man. They've institutionalized an assumption of non-culpability on the part of women even when they openly abuse their husbands, ex-husbands and children, and even when they use the court system to do it.

In 85% of divorce cases in the US, mothers receive primary physical custody. The remaining 15% represent sole paternal, and shared physical custody arrangements. The average cost to a man in a contested custody battle in the US is over $200, 000. It can take up to six years of expensive court battles for a man to secure even regular access or shared custody, let alone primary physical custody. He may be required to pay his ex-partner's legal bills in addition to his own, and pay for the court-ordered assessments and services required for his case. Through this battle, he will also be required to pay maintenance to his ex-partner in the form of alimony and/or child support, and in some cases, even pay the fees of the third party required for supervised visitation with his children.

Is it any wonder that in the year following a family break-up, men are 11 times more likely to commit suicide than women?

According to the Michigan chapter of NOW, fathers' rights groups are an "abuser's lobby", and the official stance of the chapter is to oppose reforms that would normalize equal or near-equal shared custody after divorce if neither parent is unfit. They oppose these measures in part because it would put women and children in danger from abusive and controlling former spouses, and in part because it would have an unintended negative impact on child support awards. This, despite the oft-stated feminist claim that cultural assumptions that women are automatically better caregivers are sexist against women, and despite the fact that the environment in which a child is at the highest risk of suffering abuse is in the care of a single mother.


This is the influence of politicized ideological feminism in the areas of domestic violence and family law. And while society has always placed a greater priority on protecting women than men from violence and abuse, feminists have managed to rewrite history and public perception of human interaction, in order to justify ever more intrusive government mechanisms that protect women from even their own criminal behavior, and curtail the rights and civil liberties of the men who find themselves at the mercy of the system after having done nothing wrong.

Over the last 40 years, a growing number of researchers have challenged feminism's theory of gender conflict and the conceptual framework of Duluth. These researchers have been subjected to blacklisting, career sabotage, intimidation, professional shunning and even death threats. Family violence researcher Suzanne Steinmetz had a bomb threat called into her daughter's wedding. Erin Pizzey, the woman who established the first battered women's refuge in the world, lived for years under police protection due to threats to herself, her children and grandchildren, and finally fled the UK after her family dog was killed. All for daring to say that women are as violent as men within relationships, and that partner abuse is not a natural function of masculine identity, but a gender neutral social problem primarily caused by experience of abuse during childhood.

To prove women are not violent, feminists have engaged in campaigns of violence and threats, and to prove society is male-dominated, feminists have engaged in a pattern of malfeasance that has silenced all other voices, allowing feminism to remain the dominant authority in all gendered issues. And they evidently see no irony in any of that.

The fiscal, social and human costs of these policies are staggering. We treat every domestic violence accusation, indeed even the hint that a woman is afraid of her partner, with a better safe than sorry strategy that engages multiple bureaucracies. Taxpayers and beleaguered men pay thousands upon thousands of dollars for investigations, assessments, psychiatric evaluations, lawyers, expensive legal proceedings, incarcerations and prosecutions, a growing number of which end with the discovery that a woman was lying for revenge or for personal gain. Children are mercilessly fragged by combative mothers, deprived, often permanently, of what may be their only stable parent. Fathers are ground into the dust.

Intervention programs, run by government funded agencies, apply a single, ideologically tainted treatment to a multifaceted problem, "curing" citizens of diseases they don't have, while allowing their actual problems to fester untreated. Cumbersome legal procedures, no-drop policies, predominant aggressor policies, institutional, legal and informal biases, all contribute to a bill that is increasingly impossible for taxpayers to afford, and that is handicapping the ability of children--those future taxpayers who will be stuck with the growing mass of red ink generated by this system--to shoulder the debt.

Fatherless children--an epidemic of whom we are creating with these policies--are more prone to a whole host of social maladies. They are at two to ten times the risk of being physically or sexually abused, becoming teenage parents, dropping out of school, being behaviorally disordered, becoming involved in gangs, being addicted to alcohol or drugs, being expelled from school, committing suicide, not going to college, committing crimes, being incarcerated, requiring welfare or food stamps, contracting sexually transmitted diseases, and being victims of violence. In fact, if you control for fatherlessness, the race disparity in the US prison system all but vanishes.

If we're expecting our children to bail us out of the fiscal and human mess we're creating, we're in for a nasty surprise.

This is a problem of snowballing costs that will only worsen with each generation, as government gets more bloated and top-heavy while simultaneously crippling the ability of future generations to support it. It is a system where we examine the reading scores of 8 year old boys not to determine how to help boys stop falling behind in education, but to determine how many new prisons we need to build. It is a system wherein a man who is laid off and temporarily unable to pay his child support is systematically stripped of his driver's license and professional licenses, thrown in debtors' prison and saddled with a criminal record, rendering him permanently unable to pay it. Where we will metaphorically chop a man's arms off, and then tell him he'd better still shovel for all he's worth or he'll be sorry.

And behind all of this, you will find radical feminist lobbyists pushing for further "reforms" for women to undo millennia of oppression of women that never existed as they believe it did, and regardless of the collateral damage to other members of society. They do this in the name of "liberating" women from the oppression of their historical dependence on men, by constructing enormous government bureaucracies, ever-growing in power and scope, funded disproportionately by men, and upon which women in general have become just as dependent a they ever were on any man.

All for the purpose of "ending oppression", because, as we all know, no government anywhere has ever oppressed anyone.
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1r28 April 2013 00:14
This is brilliant. Would it be a lot of trouble to ask for citations, however?

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Roger30 April 2013 15:04
I concur. Girlwriteswhat is an impressive writer and orator, but I do have the strong desire to be able to verify a lot of her claims independently.

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Sean Riley28 April 2013 01:16
Awesome stuff, GWW...Of course, to the rational, it reads as common sense. Also, let me assure you, I am living proof that one can be a Socialist AND a Red Pill advocate! Go on, ask me how, I dare ya... ;)

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Dieter H.28 April 2013 08:40

Ok, Sean: how?

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fabrizio napoleoni28 April 2013 02:33
excellent article

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Kevin Wayne28 April 2013 04:20
Posted this on he wrong blog post lol

To present the other side to all of this, here are some links to some Anti-Feminist Marxist thought:

http://kevin-wayne.blogspot.com/2012/09/marxists-write-against-feminist.html

I'll sate up front that I grew up in an Ultra-conservative town, and "Commie-Baiting" as a form of argumentation is old news to me. But now you have some other things to add for food for thought here.

Also, since you cited Anelauskas, I took the liberty of checking him out:

http://www.amazon.com/Discovering-America-As-It-Is/dp/0932863299

Looks to me as if Capitalism is tyranny, regardless of which gender it supposedly serves.

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Dieter H.28 April 2013 08:42
@ Kevin -

Define "capitalism" and "tyranny".


Jack Celliers4 May 2013 13:24
Thanks for this! We are few anti feminist on the left. But I think we are growing.

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d243e478-b01b-11e2-b6bf-000bcdcb519428 April 2013 08:55
I see we already have Marxists coming out of the woodwork to jump in front of male rights, trying to escape the sinking ship of feminism that their cultural Marxism wrought.

Do you really think men are that gullible? That once we grow off the oppressive, totalitarian yoke of feminism, we will turn around and give up our newfound freedom, our autonomy, our families over to the leviathan socialist state the left wants to construct? You think we are ridding ourselves of solipsistic women in order to hand our sovereignty over to the solipsistic all-encompassing State?

Do you really think we men are interested in handing our autonomy over to a State that seems to remold us into its image of the ideal citizen, right after we shake the yoke of women trying to do the same to us? At least some of the men bein reshape by their women get sex, the people reshape by the Stare just get screwed.

Tell you what, why don't you socialists go to one of the scores of countries you've already screwed up, and try to fix it first? To to Cuba or Venezuela or Argentina. Go to Spain or Greece. G show us socialism works in areas where you already have control, damnit!

Oh, I know.

Hitler was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.
Stalin was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.
Castro was a fake socialist, he was really a right winger.

And so on. Socialist countries alllllways fail because the Grand People's Revolution got hijacked by right wingers!

But guess what? All those socialist revolutionaries were heavily supported by the left of their time. The Marxists in the US thought the USSR was a freaking paradise. They had to have facts beaten over their head for thirty years, and even then they didn't admit they were wrong, they just stopped talking.

So, considering your socialist forebears got it all wrong and supported tyrants, why should we trust you or your instincts? Has it "just not been done right", eh? Why is Argentina in the midst of a 10 year slide from prosperity that conveniently coincided with its election of a socialist government?

Why is Venezuela a hellhole when it is such a naturally rich country? Socialism. Corruption. But alas, I repeat myself. Government centralized power is corrupting. Marxists can't change this fact of reality any more than they can change which direction the sun rises in. And no, "Democracy" isn't some magic wand to fix the problems of government power. See Egypt and Iraq for details on that.

You call capitalism corruption? I go home to a big screen tv, game systems, I have a smartphone the richest man on earth couldn't own 4 years ago. My non-union bosses at work are a joy to work with, i like work almost as much as i like home. And you think this is OPPRESSION?

Notice how the Marxists posting here are all smiles. They really do believe they can establish a government based on caring and love. The problem is the collectivism has to be based on math, calculation, and rationing, which is COLD, not warm hearted. That is why socialist regimes fail and turn ugly. The rubber meets the road, socialist theory meets reality, and chaos insues.

For details, see the countries I mentioned.

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Lucian Vâlsan28 April 2013 16:59
Excellent comment! Could not have said it better myself.

In another words, GirlWritesWhat, I hope you do not mind me taking this and translating it into several languages, do you?

Best regards,
Lucian Vâlsan.


Dieter H.29 April 2013 08:24
I agree with Lucian Valsan: I couldn't have said it better myself!

In my view, there is only one question a "socialist" needs to hear: Do you accept "from each according to his ability", or is it "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"?

Since the latter logically leads to tyranny - whether socialist, feminist, or nazi -men have no sane reason to exchange feminist oppression for socialist oppression. The only sane position for men is the libertarian-classical liberal position.


John Spritzler29 April 2013 16:37
Healthy non-dysfunctional families operate on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and it is NOT tyranny. A parent doesn't ask a child to contribute more than he or she reasonably is able to contribute, and no matter how little that is the child is provided all the food and shelter and comfort that he or she needs, and this is NOT tyranny.

People can create a sharing economy on this principle by voluntary federation of local communities, and that is NOT tyranny.

The hijacking of the "from each...to each..." principle (which is the 'egalitarian' principle and which predates Marx by thousands of years) by Marxists linked it in the minds of contemporary people to tyrannical rule by a Communist Party. Marxism is indeed inherently anti-democratic ('tyrannical' if you will) because it purports to be a "science" based on the notion that ordinary people are primarily selfish and are therefore subjectively opposed to egalitarianism ('communism') but can be socially engineered by an elite who understand the Marxist "science" to one day support an egalitarian social system.

Rejecting Marxism is the right thing to do. Rejecting egalitarianism is the wrong thing to do.

The only practical alternative to egalitarianism is a society that approves of some people having a right to the kind of concentrated wealth that enables them eventually to become a privileged and powerful elite (as in the U.S. today) that dominates the rest, using divide-and-conquer strategies that include things such as promoting feminism to undermine solidarity between ordinary men and women. Feminism didn't just happen in the U.S.; it was funded by Big Money.
Please see my "Misandry: An Obstacle to Solidarity Between Men and Women" at http://newdemocracyworld.org/culture/misandry.html .


Walter4 May 2013 08:49
It would be a great thing if all of the Marxists who are coming out of the woodwork were to consider that it may be possible to take feminism out of Marxism, but it is not possible to take Marxism out of feminism.

Heidi Hartmann once described the relation between Marxism and feminism as analogous to that of husband and wife under English common law: "Marxism and feminism are one, and that one is Marxism." (Source: http://tinyurl.com/cm2llzv )

I was born into and grew up in the national-socialist Hitler regime, and Marx' 'Das Kapital' was required reading in high school then. Have no illusions that a socialist regime has anything good to offer to the common man. Far too many people have had that reality rammed down their throats, and no one who ever lived under socialist oppression would be inclined to say anything different. That doesn't change even when Marxism puts on the cloak of feminism.

Igor Shafarevich, a world-renowned mathematician who took on the role of a historian when he examined the role of socialism throughout history and the never-ending, futile quest for a socialist utopia explained it very well and in excellent detail in his book, "The Socialist Phenomenon." Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn summarized the context of that book very well in his foreword to it: http://www.robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html#pagestart_vii

We should never forget that Betty Friedan was a Stalinist scholar and for much of her life a functionary of the Communist Party of the USA. http://fathersforlife.org/feminism/truth_a_la_friedan.htm


Walter4 May 2013 08:52
As to Karen Straughan's observation that feminism is communism in panties and how Marx and Engels promoted women's rights, Bolshevism did the same. So do the Marxist feminists when they quote verbatim from Marx and Engels, and so did Mao Zedong, who put that sentiment into words for the Chinese common people, as quoted in Chapter 31,"Women", of 'The Little Red Book':

"A man in China is usually subjected to the domination of three systems of authority [political authority, clan authority and religious authority]…. As for women, in addition to being dominated by these three systems of authority, they are also dominated by the men (the authority of the husband). These four authorities – political, clan, religious and masculine – are the embodiment of the whole feudal-patriarchal ideology and system, and are the four thick ropes binding the Chinese people, particularly the peasants. How the peasants have overthrown the political authority of the landlords in the countryside has been described above. The political authority of the landlords is the backbone of all the other systems of authority. With that overturned, the clan authority, the religious authority and the authority of the husband all begin to totter…. As to the authority of the husband, this has always been weaker among the poor peasants because, out of economic necessity, their womenfolk have to do more manual labour than the women of the richer classes and therefore have more say and greater power of decision in family matters. With the increasing bankruptcy of the rural economy in recent years, the basis for men’s domination over women has already been undermined. With the rise of the peasant movement, the women in many places have now begun to organize rural women’s associations; the opportunity has come for them to lift up their heads, and the authority of the husband is getting shakier every day. In a word, the whole feudal-patriarchal ideology and system is tottering with the growth of the peasants’ power."
--“Report on an Investigation of the Peasant Movement in Hunan” (March 1927), Selected Works, Vol. I, pp. 44-46.
[The Little Red Book, Chapter 31. WOMEN, Full text
http://art-bin.com/art/omao31.html
Look it up. It's only a little more than one page.]

Does it really surprise anyone that Erin Pizzey reported time and again that the redfems she came in touch with during the late '60s and early '70s had posters of Che Guevara and Mao on their living room walls and copies of 'The Little Red Book' on their coffee tables?

How does taking feminism out of Marxism make Marxism any less destructive and oppressive? A male version of Marxism isn't any better than a feminist one. The results are the same.


Jack Celliers4 May 2013 13:42
Well, if you allow me to come out of the woodwork and set foot on your civilized city, I can give an answer to you... Though I guess you are not interested in any answer.

...why don't you socialists go to one of the scores of countries you've already screwed up, and try to fix it first? To to Cuba or Venezuela or Argentina. Go to Spain or Greece

Well, you forget to mention USA, as everybody knows since Obama took power it became Soviet USA.

The problem is that you have no idea of what socialism is. Except Cuba, none of those countries is socialist. In the woodworks we take the time to read some books and study social processes. "Socialism" means collective ownership of the means of production. That does not happen in Greece, or Spain, or Venezuela, or in Argentina. It happens to a limited extent in Cuba, and certainly do not happen on most of the world.

However, in both Venezuela and Argentina some policies are taken that restrict the advance of international financial power on the local capitalist development. That is not "socialism", is just a dash of common sense. By the way, I am Argentinian, and know you have not the slightest idea of what are you talking about. The "socialist" regime that Argentina has, won last election with 54% of the votes. Venezuela "socialist" regime won 17 out of 18 elections (for president and the parliament).

And if you took the time to analyze the economy indicators in Argentina and Venezuela from a historical perspective, you would find out they improved dramatically. For instance, in 2011 Argentina economic growth was only second to China's.

And if you had lived in those countries when they had good conservative governments, you had find out what happened: kindly try to research what happened in Argentina during 2001, before the current government took power. Learn that, for instance, a very capitalistic government prevented people from withdrawing cash from the banks, something that will soon happen in many other countries. Or take a look to Venezuela's "Caracazo" and learn what it was, and who was responsible for it.

And Greece... that is really a good one: Greece is a socialist country! Really? A country that is being strangled by a conservative government to pay a debt nobody benefited from just to make EU bankers happy, you call that "socialist"? On what basis? Are you serious?

Please, read a little bit more on the issues you decide to talk about.

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Black Yoda28 April 2013 11:01
Truly excellent.

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Suzanne McCarley28 April 2013 18:50
Holy. Shit.

This is it. Definitive. If there is an Anti-Feminist Holy Grail, this is it. Every point in this article could be expanded into an irrefutable, fact filled chapter in one of the most important books the West might ever see. And fitting for a Libertarian audience (though it has been my personal experience that many Libertarians have strong chivalric leanings, at least toward women they know personally.) I have often wondered how receptive they would be to a perspective like this.


I'm sharing this all over the place.

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Weeeeeeeeeeeee29 April 2013 00:49
So funny that a WOMAN has more balls than all the MRAs put together. Utterly PATHETIC.



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Rorschach29 April 2013 01:58
More balls? There is nothing here that hasn't been written by MRAs before - you just think it is somehow better just because it's written by a woman. But the way the world is - a man saying this stuff gets told to "man up" and stop whining, a woman saying this might get more people listening. If that works, great.

I'm a fan of GWW and like her articles and videos but the only PATHETIC thing here is your comment.


Thanks, J.1 May 2013 19:02
"Weee (etc)"

Your handle immediately suggests that you are a serious thinker and tend to inform yourself before commenting. In all seriousness your comment is about the dumbest I've ever read. You come across as a misinformed teenager jackass and insult men on a MRA website and falsely assert GWW is more bold and has a more critical anti-feminist, MRA perspective than anyone (because she has "more balls" LOL and shaming language too) when, as Rorschach rightly points out, GWW is saying what many have said before, more or less. GWW is among the most articulate and interesting (but not because she has more boobs, I hope).


The Males Of Games2 May 2013 04:52
Everyone, this is a guy who's been trolling the Men's Rights subreddit for months. Promotes some "manhood academy" BS website. All his posts get removed or heavily downvoted. Just ignore him.

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Alex Reynard29 April 2013 01:12
I have nothing intelligent to add, though I wish I did. I just wanted to say that if I'd been present when you spoke this, I would have applauded until my hands bled.

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Crowhill29 April 2013 06:30
So what's the path out of this mess? It seems as if we're somewhat doomed to more and more laws based on women complaining about things. It's not masculine to complain about how hard things are for you, so "men's rights" will always be a minority position.

I'm reminded of a scene from "The Enemy" (a ST:TNG episode), where Worf says ...

"I have not a cause to complain, Captain."

To which Picard replies ...

"Oh. Lieutenant, you wouldn't complain even if you had cause!"

I don't see the men's rights movement catching on for that very reason.

My cynical side says the only way this will end is when feminism causes the complete collapse of society, and then women will beg for a return of men who act like men.

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Roadkill29 April 2013 09:22
Wow, great read. Going to be sharing this one a lot.

Crow: Women and kids suffer the most in such situations. They may suffer even more. These things do happen and I find it endlessly ironic that feminists tend to be so anti-gun. Firearms are the ONLY tool that puts men and women on equal defensive physical footing.

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Balor29 April 2013 13:24
I would be your #1 fan, except you already have thousands!

What an extraordinarily well written & presented piece.

Really wish there were a few hundred GWWs - at least one for every country - eloquence, analysis, truth.

But most of all, thank you for being GWW.

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Morpheus Manfred29 April 2013 18:13
Amazing work. I'm 100% behind you here. -RedPillSchool Reddit/r/theredpill

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DarthFluttershy29 April 2013 20:59
Nice article/speech. Is there a video of it, perchance?

Also I'd like to echo the request for citations. I know that can be a lot of work, but with citations this write-up would be an excellent goto article for open-minded people who have only heard about how MRAs are misogynist and all that. Also, the statement "if you control for fatherlessness, the race disparity in the US prison system all but vanishes" is especially interesting to me, can anyone link me to a resource for that?

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GTriest3 May 2013 07:27
Karen Straughan (GirlWritesWhat) spoke to the NY LIbertarian Party Convention,
April 27, 2013, at the Rhinecliff Hotel, Rhinecliff NY



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Unknown30 April 2013 04:04
Brilliant. This speech is as good a candidate for an Anti-Feminist Manifesto as any I've read. It will reach the ends of the earth before this year is out. Mark my words.

Girl, you are truly a Godsend.

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L. Byron30 April 2013 16:22
How did the speech go down, & is there a recording of it at all?

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girlwriteswhat30 April 2013 16:28
It went down awesome. Seriously. And there should be a video in the next couple of days. I'll upload as soon as it's up. :)


GTriest3 May 2013 07:14


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Len Firewood1 May 2013 18:16
Being already familiar with the high quality of GWW writings and videos it does not surprise me that she hits the nail on the head so often and consistently. As for the politicking in the comments - all sides can keep their opinions to themselves as I have found no side free fro
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Rorschach29 April 2013 01:58
More balls? There is nothing here that hasn't been written by MRAs before - you just think it is somehow better just because it's written by a woman. But the way the world is - a man saying this stuff gets told to "man up" and stop whining, a woman saying this might get more people listening. If that works, great.

I'm a fan of GWW and like her articles and videos but the only PATHETIC thing here is your comment.


Thanks, J.1 May 2013 19:02
"Weee (etc)"

Your handle immediately suggests that you are a serious thinker and tend to inform yourself before commenting. In all seriousness your comment is about the dumbest I've ever read. You come across as a misinformed teenager jackass and insult men on a MRA website and falsely assert GWW is more bold and has a more critical anti-feminist, MRA perspective than anyone (because she has "more balls" LOL and shaming language too) when, as Rorschach rightly points out, GWW is saying what many have said before, more or less. GWW is among the most articulate and interesting (but not because she has more boobs, I hope).


The Males Of Games2 May 2013 04:52
Everyone, this is a guy who's been trolling the Men's Rights subreddit for months. Promotes some "manhood academy" BS website. All his posts get removed or heavily downvoted. Just ignore him.

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Was this posted to a men's rights reddit?
Irony.

No. A libertarians meeting ( you have not started reading it have you?)
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Think it is I2 of old? Even Odeon is not so delusional as to think otherwise. He may on occasionally pretend otherwise but his base is that knitting circle.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 05:09:40 PM »
Was this posted to a men's rights reddit?
Irony.

No. A libertarians meeting ( you have not started reading it have you?)
ive started. Be patient.

Though I've read several comments.  90% are from men.
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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 07:23:29 PM »
I just watched Feminism and the Disposable Male.

I really like these bits:

"And what are we teaching baby boys? We teach them there's not much point in seeking help, because it will be grudgingly given, if at all. We teach them that they should be self-contained in their ability to deal with emotions like fear, helplessness, loneliness, sadness, pain, distress. We teach them stoicism. We teach them to suck it up. We teach them that their fear and their pain are best ignored.
I mean, given all of that, is it any wonder that it's like pulling teeth to get a man to go to the doctor when he's sick? ... We are teaching him to externalize his own disposability."

"We're preparing her to take that seat in the lifeboat. We're training her to not allow guilt or empathy or acknowledgement a man's humanity or any sense that he just might deserve it more, to convince her to give her seat to him. Because for millenia, the human species absolutely depended on her feeling 100% entitled to that seat."
You'll never self-actualize the subconscious canopy of stardust with that attitude.

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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 08:30:05 PM »

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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2013, 08:36:29 AM »
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We teach them stoicism. We teach them to suck it up. We teach them that their fear and their pain are best ignored.

Its good for em. Knocks the faggot out.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"

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Re: McPostwhore, you really need to check this amazing girl out
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2013, 08:39:15 AM »
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We teach them stoicism. We teach them to suck it up. We teach them that their fear and their pain are best ignored.

Its good for em. Knocks the faggot out.
i lolled. A typical, conditioned response.
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