NSA collecting phone records of millions of Verizon customers daily

[ProfessorFarnsworth]

If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment.  So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights

Agreed, much worse actually because he flat out lied about putting an end to these programs and in fact expanded upon them in secret. So much for transparency.

Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.

Heh, that logic only works so far before even Obama's loyal followers start smelling the bullshit.

[Parts]

If this had been Bush there would everyone would be screaming for his impeachment.  So far Obama has been just as bad if not worse than Bush on civil rights

Agreed, much worse actually because he flat out lied about putting an end to these programs and in fact expanded upon them in secret. So much for transparency.

Obama is a Democrat. He is also "black". Thus people think that it is OK with him doing these things.

Heh, that logic only works so far before even Obama's loyal followers start smelling the bullshit.

The link I posted about the justice department blocking the court finding is from Mother Jones a very left wing site

[Jesse]

is this apart of the patriot act? that's one stupid ass piece of legislation right there. Obama is no different than any other politician, a liar. first and formost he made a bunch of promises like closing down that jail in cuba, is it closed? nope. granted I think he has done some good things. like end DADT, and I guess anyone who steps into office is going to play the part. I also agree its time to stop blaming bush. every president is going to act like dis

I'm happy I don't have a service provider. with all of my info, I'm on a pay as you go plan so nobody has my name, adresss etc.
Although the government already has my name, and personal info so I wouldn't be upset about this even if I was on verisons phone plan

[McGiver]

Tis is why I feel that 911 was an inside job.  Just a ruse to steal our liberties.

[El]

It is bush.  Obama just allowed it to continue. Said they put safeguards in place.

Someone said, maybe it was Franklin, those who trade freedom for security deserve neither.

So what if there is an occasional terrorist attack.  Give me my freedom.

Deserve neither and will lose both.  If I truly thought this stuff would make us more safe I'd be less opposed.  All it does is give a corrupt government a tighter hold on us.

There will always be the occasional terrorist attack.

Obama's approval ratings actually aren't that stellar, at the moment.  http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/lara-brown/2013/05/22/democrats-should-be-more-worried-about-obamas-scandals

[TheoK]

Nah, my fellow Swede, also known as the owner of the board, says that you shall have confidence in the State. The State is your friend

[Jesse]

Tis is why I feel that 911 was an inside job.  Just a ruse to steal our liberties.

I don't know if I think it was an inside job, but I do agree that it was most conveinant to use it to steal away our liberties

[McGiver]

We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror.  They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)

[TheoK]

We will conveniently have random attacks on American soil and they will be called terror.  They will serve as a stark reminder that we indeed need protecting. And the government will gladly put salve on our open sores of fear and loathing.
-me (just now)

Well, some people, no one mentioned, defend this monster called "the state" - because the fundamental wrong is in the state. It is fundamentally perverted.

[Jesse]

Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life

[TheoK]

Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life

People have perverted minds because they live in a perverted society. In this society you learn to pretend to be good but act in your own interest on the expense of others.

[McGiver]

Anything people are involved in is corrupted. you can't escape it, unless you want to go live in a cave and be miserable.
Its best to deal with whatever your faced with as best you can, that way you can enjoy your own life

nothing about me is corrupt.  Just slightly askew.

[Jesse]

Slighty off is just fine with me. I have been corrupted though, If I really get down and think about it.
For instance, I'm purposefully not speaking with my father to hurt him. Its true, I wish it wasn't but I find that most people when dealing with situations lose their intelligent part of the brain, and the animalistic thinking part takes over.

I do get satisfaction out of watching people squirm aswell. makes me feel good,

I guess what I'm trying to say is ever since I lost all concepts of right and wrong, I don't really view morality the same as before.
 Nothing here matters

[McGiver]

Everything matters.
And, if you live your life trying to do what's right then your life will be better.

[Jesse]

I don't equate doing "right" with success. this is a concept, tought by the morality police.
In nature, animals are brutal. and our closest relatives are some of the most brutal
we are all animals after all. not gods special creation
I'm living my life. there is no right or wrong for me

But this is just my opinion. everyone should do what works for them