I think that rape is up there with any other crime you would choose to throw out there. Men who do this are subhuman and oxygen thieves. I know that this has somehow been tied into a debate on equality. So what is the argument in general terms?
Because it happens to more women than men it is an inequality? That would be a silly argument.
It should happen to more men to realign the balance? That would be odd
More women should be given the opportunity to be rapists to close the difference in the percentage of male to female perpetrators? Odd
Ought it REALLY have a place in equality debates? Ought men similarly make demands to be able to carry babies or give birth as an equality issue?
It all seems silly. Rape is many horrible things. It is an important issue in its own right but hijacking it into an equality debate is bizzare
i made a point about birthright entitlement. I was questioned about that. It has everything to do with it. And societal conditioning.
Al, you gave one example where women, may or may not be more equal than men. Itwas personal for you and I can appreciate your plight. However, I believe a women's coalition is necessary in Orr to fight for equality. I need further proof that women ARE, IN FACT, TREATED EQUALLY IN SOCIETY.
I just don't see it.
Evidence would help. Thesis papers not so much.
What do you mean as equally?
No I am not trying to be pedantic BUT.....
Being treated differently is not necessarily being treated as unequal
Being given same opportunities but not grasping those opportunities is not unequal
Being abused, hurt, murdered, violated or whatever outside of what is accepted or allowed by society is not being treated as unequal?
Showing stats s raw figures without any underlying explanation is not in itself proof of...well anything.
At my work. I can usually tell within the first two months, who is going to really get on in the workplace. It has little to do with gender. The opportunities are the same and gender is not a disadvantage. Talent and effort and attitude is rewarded.
But in a department full of people, it is the men that usually rise the ranks. Not all men. There is a bottle neck and some are happy to not make a noise or put in.
At the moment there are maybe 6 people there foisting and jostling to move into management and there to impress and sell and take on any responsibilities they can. 2 are women. 1 I am sure within 6 months will be a team leader or will be sidestepped into a similarly graded role. There is a guy who is on equal footing with her. The other girl is not quite as pro-active and is given opportunities but has not really taken them on. It is precisely the one in 6 thing I was talking about before (though this is at least 2 in 6) BUT the difference in representation is NOT bias nor poor treatment.
I spoke to the girl that is doing well. She lives with her partner who has a few kids from an ill fated marriage. They are trying to get on and save up. She said about 3 months ago that she is going to bust her balls to get noticed and promoted. Well on her way. I have heard this a number of times. On each of occasion it has been men. They either do exactly that or lose momentum and faith and leave.
The difference is unequal but not biased.