I need feminism/the men's coalition because I am a fucking coward.

[El]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

[RageBeoulve]

Explain? I thought the gap was due to the general lack of certainty that a woman won't quit mid career to start get a family started?

[Scrapheap]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

That's more than a devils advocate argument.

Lots of truth to it. 

[McGiver]

I'm not a capitalist.  I don think that some jobs should pay more than others.  But if some should, then I think teachers and nurses should make more.

[Dexter Morgan]

I'm not a capitalist.  I don think that some jobs should pay more than others.  But if some should, then I think teachers and nurses should make more.

Nurses actually make pretty good money.  The problem with teachers is there isn't a good metric to determine the good ones from the bad ones.

[odeon]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

Absolutely. And some of those choices really aren't choices.

[Al Swearegen]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

Absolutely. And some of those choices really aren't choices.

I will tell you that Maternal leave compared to Paternal leave is far from equal. In my days Paternal leave was not around at all. Would have loved some decent time off work to be with my babies

[McGiver]

I was allowed 6 weeks paternal leave when my son was born.

[Al Swearegen]

I was allowed 6 weeks paternal leave when my son was born.

I had a couple of days leave I think (out of annual leave) things have changed in 16 years but not really ballpark

[odeon]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

Absolutely. And some of those choices really aren't choices.

I will tell you that Maternal leave compared to Paternal leave is far from equal. In my days Paternal leave was not around at all. Would have loved some decent time off work to be with my babies

I had a few days off when they were born but nothing like the weeks or even months dads are allowed these days. I had my own company and leave wasn't an option. I would have liked to.

Of course, that part is not a choice for the mother, either. My point when writing the above post that it's just about when their equal pay starts to suffer and the gap starts to show. It is quite common among companies here to "forget" or minimise a raise while the women are on maternal leave.  The unions try to monitor such occurrences but it is notoriously difficult to do.

[Al Swearegen]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

Absolutely. And some of those choices really aren't choices.

I will tell you that Maternal leave compared to Paternal leave is far from equal. In my days Paternal leave was not around at all. Would have loved some decent time off work to be with my babies

I had a few days off when they were born but nothing like the weeks or even months dads are allowed these days. I had my own company and leave wasn't an option. I would have liked to.

Of course, that part is not a choice for the mother, either. My point when writing the above post that it's just about when their equal pay starts to suffer and the gap starts to show. It is quite common among companies here to "forget" or minimise a raise while the women are on maternal leave.  The unions try to monitor such occurrences but it is notoriously difficult to do.

So in some instances women are illegally screwed over by the company and can be found liable if breach is shown, in respect to pay
In all instances men get less paid paternity leave than women get maternity leave, to look after their kids?

[odeon]

I'll throw in a devil's advocate comment re: pay gap:  Some of it genuinely is due to the different kinds of choices women vs. men make in kinds of professions and prioritization of work/life balance.  How much of it, though, is debatable.

Absolutely. And some of those choices really aren't choices.

I will tell you that Maternal leave compared to Paternal leave is far from equal. In my days Paternal leave was not around at all. Would have loved some decent time off work to be with my babies

I had a few days off when they were born but nothing like the weeks or even months dads are allowed these days. I had my own company and leave wasn't an option. I would have liked to.

Of course, that part is not a choice for the mother, either. My point when writing the above post that it's just about when their equal pay starts to suffer and the gap starts to show. It is quite common among companies here to "forget" or minimise a raise while the women are on maternal leave.  The unions try to monitor such occurrences but it is notoriously difficult to do.

So in some instances women are illegally screwed over by the company and can be found liable if breach is shown, in respect to pay
In all instances men get less paid paternity leave than women get maternity leave, to look after their kids?

Yes, they've been illegally screwed over by their employers and are liable. I think there is talk of even forcing a 50/50 share but I don't know if it will happen or not. There have been a few cases in the news lately, that's all.

[El]

[RageBeoulve]

If these people really cared about human rights, they would not fight for special intrests within they own retarded demographic. That in itself is SEXIST. Human rights are for all humans, not just females or males. Human equality means human equality. Grow some courage and fight for the shit that really matters, feminists. The fact that the organizations "feminism" and "men's coalition" and whatever the hell else exist, is absolutely selfish and pathetic. Get on my level, and start caring about everyone equally. But not so much that you coddle others as if they're porcelain dolls and make them massive babies.

[Dexter Morgan]

Here's a good response.