I need feminism/the men's coalition because I am a fucking coward.

[McGiver]

Incorrect. 
I was specifically challenged on the privelage by birthright claim.
This has everything to do with that.

[Calavera]

A man will not get raped in India without severe consequences, mate. There are laws in place there but only the men will be protected by them.

And what happens if they were to start putting laws in India to protect women from rape?

Are they going to stop being raped all of a sudden? As you stated, even men in India are raped. And yet they're supposed to have rights.

[Calavera]

Women are not as weak as you make them out to be. And they are not any more victims of cultural disadvantages than men are.

Care to back this up? Humanity has literally thousands of years to make up for when it comes to women being the victims of "cultural disadvantages", from the right to vote to equal pay to - yes - protection from rape. The list goes on.

History past. Black people are no longer slaves in the USA. So it wouldn't make sense to argue that black people are being deprived of rights now because they used to be slaves in the past.

As for protection of rape, I already made my point clear. It has nothing to do with rights. Rape will continue to be committed regardless of rights.

[Calavera]

Incorrect. 
I was specifically challenged on the privelage by birthright claim.
This has everything to do with that.

Don't forget the wage thingy.

[McGiver]

Incorrect. 
I was specifically challenged on the privelage by birthright claim.
This has everything to do with that.

Don't forget the wage thingy.

war on women's health via planned parenthood, abortion, and contraceptives.

[Calavera]

Nice try, but let's first stick to the different pay based on gender for same job argument first. Care to back up the claim that women get less pay for same job and same circumstances based on gender discrimination?

Oh, and in the Western world. Don't even go to India or elsewhere.

[RageBeoulve]

Incorrect. 
I was specifically challenged on the privelage by birthright claim.
This has everything to do with that.

I lolled. Exactly. There is no "privilege" except freedom! And that means doing whatever the fuck you want unless you infringe on the freedom of a bunch of other people.

[McGiver]

Nice try, but let's first stick to the different pay based on gender for same job argument first. Care to back up the claim that women get less pay for same job and same circumstances based on gender discrimination?

Oh, and in the Western world. Don't even go to India or elsewhere.

care to back up your rebuttal?
I already suggested google lily Ledbetter. 

[McGiver]

To sum up your argument:

Examples please....yet you don't read them.  Nor offer any yourself.

There are laws in place that protect women's equality....yet you state that laws protecting women from being raped in India will do no good.

You say, "there are arguments contrary". Yet offer no logic to support your claim.  Nor links. Nor facts.

Then you laugh it all off.


Clever, but not compelling.

[RageBeoulve]

Actually, this was supposed to be MY argument. But what do I know? I'm just a greasy nigger.

[Calavera]

Nice try, but let's first stick to the different pay based on gender for same job argument first. Care to back up the claim that women get less pay for same job and same circumstances based on gender discrimination?

Oh, and in the Western world. Don't even go to India or elsewhere.

care to back up your rebuttal?
I already suggested google lily Ledbetter.

Did you? I don't remember that, and skimming through the thread just now, I see no mention of that name before this post of yours. So did you lie just now? Just wondering ...

Anyway, concerning Ledbetter, that's not much evidence because it's just one case of one person whose reasons for being underpaid are not clear as Obama and others make them out to be. Are there other cases in USA in this day and age that back up what she went through?

There was a law passed decades ago in the USA called the Equal Pay Act.
http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/equalcompensation.cfm

Year: 1963

What has this done to improve the wage difference between genders? As the stats show, and as you and I both agree on, the difference is still there.

Now the Ledbetter one was passed by Obama a few years ago. What has it achieved exactly so far? Difference is still there.

Keep that in mind, and the lack of cases supporting your claim about the difference being due to gender discrimination, and tell me why I should forego critical thinking to trust what you say.

Also, I haven't made much rebuttal until now. So there has been nothing for me to back up until this post.

[Calavera]

To sum up your argument:

Examples please....yet you don't read them.  Nor offer any yourself.

There are laws in place that protect women's equality....yet you state that laws protecting women from being raped in India will do no good.

You say, "there are arguments contrary". Yet offer no logic to support your claim.  Nor links. Nor facts.

Then you laugh it all off.


Clever, but not compelling.

Yes, there are laws to give women equal rights as men. Glad you finally figured this out.

[Calavera]

I just thought of something right now. We have female members here who work. Can any female member here please tell me if they are getting underpaid based on gender or are they receiving same pay as other male coworkers in the same position and situation as they are?

Maybe I should do a poll on this here. It would be interesting to see if there is really gender discrimination still going on in occupations within countries like the USA, Australia, Canada, and most countries in Europe.

[Charlotte Quin]

I have absolutely no idea how much any of my colleagues get paid. I do know my accountant guy friend gets paid more than me (he wouldn't say how much though), but he was thrown into the deep end at a smaller firm and hence had to build up more expertise in a shorter amount of time. Where I work the women are always allocated the admin duties (mail, filing, data entry), which leaves them less time in the day than guys have to build professional skills, resulting in advancement up the corporate ladder at a slower rate.

[Calavera]

Is this the company discriminating against women or women typically choosing not to do what the men do? If you were to go his route, would the company stop/hinder you because you're a girl and not a guy?

If there's discrimination going on (especially if based on gender), that should be big news, especially in Australia.