Terror attack in Boston?

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All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.

[RageBeoulve]

All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.

The opposite of what America actually stands for.

[Parts]

All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.

The opposite of what America actually stands for.

This is the new better America we care trust us and all will be well

[RageBeoulve]

All is well trust the government they know whats best for you.

The opposite of what America actually stands for.

This is the new better America we care trust us and all will be well

Well you guys talk a good game, but i'd rather shoot you all center mass with this rifle i'm allowed to own. Because I say so. Not you. Fuck the elite.

(lol)

[Parts]

[Peter]

If media covered America the way we cover foreign cultures

April 22, 2013

You really need to be following the writing of Sarah Kendzior this week as she rips the major media outlets for their utter incompetence in understanding the role of race, ethnicity and nationality in the Boston Marathon bombing. The fact is: we don’t know what motivated these men. There will be a trial – and then we will know more. In the mean time, the American media has been throwing out every possible stereotype (indomitable mountain men!!!) and disjointed factoid from Wikipedia their interns could gather.

Now, Juan Cole isn’t really “the media,” and I normally enjoy his analysis of Middle East affairs quite a bit – but I was perplexed by his trying to use 19th century literature to explain Monday’s actions in absence of thorough knowledge about the motive’s of the alleged bombers.

    “They were playing the nihilists Arkady and Bazarov in Turgenev’s Fathers and Sons,” explained scholar Juan Cole, citing an 1862 Russian novel to explain the motives of a criminal whose Twitter account was full of American rap lyrics. One does not recall such use of literary devices to ascertain the motives of less exotic perpetrators, but who knows? Perhaps some ambitious analyst is plumbing the works of Faulkner to shed light on that Mississippi Elvis impersonator who tried to send ricin to Obama.

Cole’s connection to philosophical nihilism might be a stretch, but it’s sure a lot better than those hyperventilating that one of the suspects was named after a brutal Mongol warlord!!! As my own son is named after the Norman conqueror who slaughtered Saxons to dominate England, I find this analysis unhelpful.

Why can we not just say, “I don’t know. Nobody knows. This was horrible. Our justice system will tell us the rest?” That would be honest, calm and dignified – but this is the American media we are talking about.

Now, for those of you without backgrounds in intercultural analysis, maybe this doesn’t seem too ridiculous. Let me illustrate how inaccurate such wild speculations would sound if it were about a culture you did understand.

Let us say that a guy got drunk at a bar outside of Mobile, Alabama,  got in a fight with some dudes about University of Alabama versus Ole Miss college football, and ended up shooting them dead in the parking lot.

Terrible, right? Stupid, violent, too many damn guns, shame, right?

Now imagine that some foreigners slapped a crappy pseudo-anthropological analysis on top, full of weird historical references, non-sequitur references to the church, and misguided assumptions about ethnicity.

    DATELINE APRIL 21, 2013

    IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN:

    Yet another massacre has occurred in the historically war-torn region of the Southern United States – and so soon after the religious festival of Easter.

    Brian McConkey, 27, a Christian fundamentalist militiaman living in the formerly occupied territory of Alabama, gunned down three men from an opposing tribe in the village square near Montgomery, the capitol, over a discussion that may have involved the rituals of the local football cult. In this region full of heavily-armed local warlords and radical Christian clerics, gun violence is part of the life of many.

    Many of the militiamen here are ethnic Scots-Irish tribesmen, a famously indomitable mountain people who have killed civilized men – and each other – for centuries. It appears that the wars that started on the fields of Bannockburn and Stirling have come to America.

    As the sun sets over the former Confederate States of America, one wonders – can peace ever come to this land?

Sometimes, people are in a cult of violence tied up with religious fundamentalism and nationalistic terror groups.

Sometimes, they are just savages who come from a place that might have churches and politically-motivated knuckleheads.

Being a real analyst of international affairs, you need to understand how subtle that difference can be.

[TA]

So, we have the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, what will they use this for if they keep to the principle of never let a crisis go to waste?

They said they found bomb making plans on the Internet, so CISPA?

[El]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

1.  The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police.  (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course.  And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2.  The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize.  And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can.  It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message.  What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.

Actually to your first point, you are wrong. They have appeal an old loophole a few times and it has always been struck down.

That said not only is the rest of what you said is true BUT even though you are allowed to film them. Perfectly legal. They DO get pissy and there is nothing REALLY that you can do once they decide to get pissy, as they get exonerated for their overreactions.

Really?  Someone remind me to try and hunt down some official-seeming info on this US law (or do it for me!  I am a lazy 'merican after all), because I was pretty damn sure recording with sound without consent or warrant was still illegal.

You are right though- either way, you piss off cops, you're making scary-ass enemies.

[Al Swearegen]

First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.

[Parts]

The U.S. Constitution says lots of things but people don't always want to pay attention or want to interpret their own way.  While photography is protected as you said in broad terms does it matter that much when they treat you like this or they arrest you make you get a lawyer then toss the case? 

[TheoK]

I think that in western Europe only German cops come and get people in military vehicles and only when suspected for terrorism.

[RageBeoulve]

SUCK A COCK!

[sg1008]

First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.

Although it says that. there are laws against filming the police. They recently passed a law in (Illinois?) which allows people to film police, so that the cops can't demand they stop filming.

[RageBeoulve]

First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution states "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press. ..." This has been interpreted to mean that no government entity may curtail free speech and press activities. Photography in its broadest sense is protected as a form of free expression; however, constitutional protections are not absolute and may be subject to "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions," and the main keyword is "reasonable.

Although it says that. there are laws against filming the police. They recently passed a law in (Illinois?) which allows people to film police, so that the cops can't demand they stop filming.

No use trying to make sense of things at this point. All thats left is to either fall in line and learn fifty new reules monthly, or start movements demanding these fucks to back off.

[McGiver]

So, we have the Patriot Act and the National Defense Authorization Act, what will they use this for if they keep to the principle of never let a crisis go to waste?

They said they found bomb making plans on the Internet, so CISPA?

the pressure cooking pot calling the kettle black act.