Terror attack in Boston?

[RageBeoulve]

Indeed. You don't seem to be an American. You would be really shocked to find out just how little freedom the citizen in the "land of the free" really has.

[El-Presidente]

Indeed. You don't seem to be an American. You would be really shocked to find out just how little freedom the citizen in the "land of the free" really has.

George W Bush always made me think he was president of murka.

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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

[sg1008]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

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Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

[El]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

1.  The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police.  (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course.  And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2.  The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize.  And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can.  It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message.  What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.

[Peter]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

1.  The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police.  (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course.  And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2.  The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize.  And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can.  It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message.  What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.

It's the shooting pets that bothers me the most.

[TheoK]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

1.  The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police.  (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course.  And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2.  The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize.  And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can.  It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message.  What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.

I will never more call America a free country. Why wouldn't you be allowed to film the pigs? They are officials, ergo: it should be known to the public what they are doing in their work.

This is also one of the reasons why it feels so good every time a cop gets what he deserves.

[Al Swearegen]

Here's a nice vid of people voluntarily letting the police search there homes after being asked in a friendly manner.

I think that would cause me to have a meltdown.

Me to, I wonder if I would have been shot

1.  The person who filmed and posted that may be in worlds of trouble for taking unauthorized video of police.  (Recordings with sound can't be taken without consent, and police get super-pissy about being filmed, of course.  And can make your life hell if you piss 'em off)
2.  The violation of having your home raided by cops is something I think most people can barely conceptualize.  And the cops can make it worse if they want to- not just tearing things apart, but also just destroying things, because they can.  It's not just a search tactic, it's also a way to intimidate and send a message.  What can be done in an hour or two can take literally MONTHS to properly undo, depending on how much energy you have to rebuild that which was destroyed.

Actually to your first point, you are wrong. They have appeal an old loophole a few times and it has always been struck down.

That said not only is the rest of what you said is true BUT even though you are allowed to film them. Perfectly legal. They DO get pissy and there is nothing REALLY that you can do once they decide to get pissy, as they get exonerated for their overreactions.

[El-Presidente]

I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.

[TheoK]

I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.

Haha, I live in Europe. 30 years ago or so, when watching American movies, it seemed like America was the best country on the planet.

[Al Swearegen]

Actually Rage is right.

Redefine if the suspect is REALLY a citizen.
See if the laws and various amendments can be used to justify a suppression of rights.
Redefine every aspect of crime to infer a the ability to cast him as a non-citizen or the crime as a terrorist act
Challenge any attempt to challenge
Turn the media against him to put pressure on anyone seeking to make a ruling against him in the court.
Treat him ALWAYS as guilty before innocent.

Once you have this in place, things become a slippery slope and freedom can slide. especially if after every "terrorist act" you amp up the fear mongering and use the impetus to slide through dodgy bills and suppress rights.

In my lifetime there will be a civil war in America (the upping the ante ratchetting of rights can only go so far before a monumental push back against the established bourgeois)

[RageBeoulve]

Actually Rage is right.

Redefine if the suspect is REALLY a citizen.
See if the laws and various amendments can be used to justify a suppression of rights.
Redefine every aspect of crime to infer a the ability to cast him as a non-citizen or the crime as a terrorist act
Challenge any attempt to challenge
Turn the media against him to put pressure on anyone seeking to make a ruling against him in the court.
Treat him ALWAYS as guilty before innocent.

Once you have this in place, things become a slippery slope and freedom can slide. especially if after every "terrorist act" you amp up the fear mongering and use the impetus to slide through dodgy bills and suppress rights.

In my lifetime there will be a civil war in America (the upping the ante ratchetting of rights can only go so far before a monumental push back against the established bourgeois)

Indeed. I'm so not looking forward to another war in my lifetime. Especially one on American soil. It makes one have a pretty dim view of the future.

[El-Presidente]

I am rather surprised that such an intelligent bunch of people (ie many of the above posters) thought they lived in a free country.

Haha, I live in Europe. 30 years ago or so, when watching American movies, it seemed like America was the best country on the planet.

The propaganda was very effective.

[sg1008]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22296830

This whole fucking thing is stressing me out. I don't know who to trust!!

Maybe the suspect will get a damn good lawyer and I hope the trial is public because I really want to hear what he is saying for himself. Is he denying it? What's going on??

And why aren't fertilizer plants which blow up half a town not more of a concern?