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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2013, 10:39:19 PM »
The Americans are screwed  :'(

This is a message board, not a ouija board  :zombiefuck:

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2013, 11:14:32 PM »
No drone is going to shoot my ass with a Hellfire missile from 10,000 feet and 5 miles away.  Cuz I'll have me an assault rifle ;)

I like the idea of personal slaves, so long as they are assigned because they are poor and not because they are black.  How else is my pool going to get cleaned?

So your okay with this?  Obama is proving himself no better and in many ways worse than Bush on civil liberties.

Democrats like MLA like control under the guise of "safety" and Republicans let their corporate masters control you for profit.

Big brother is watching you.

They were going to use one to kill Chris Dorner, so why not use a few thousand to keep us enthralled to the richfags.

The stupidity of humanity FILLS ME WITH RAGE!

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2013, 07:37:16 AM »
Anyone still think i'm being paranoid for seeing a pattern to the patriot act, stricter "gun control", etc? Why can't anyone else see this?

I can imagine all common working americans being forced to work on plantations and being escorted around in groups by hired thugs in about twenty years. I'll rattle the irons around my wrists and give everyone I see an "I told you so" look. We're already basically slaves to people with money, but at least we still have some rights.
Why do you think none of us do?

Okay not none, but not enough to cause any real change. :apondering:
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2013, 07:44:03 AM »
from Warren Buffett:

Congressional Reform Act of 2012
 
1. No Tenure/No Pension
A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.
 
 
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately.
All future funds flow into the Social Security system,  and Congress participates with the American people.It may not be used for any other purpose.
 
 
3. Congress can purchase
their own retirement plan,  just as all Americans do.
 
 
4. Congress will no longer vote
themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
 
 
5. Congress loses their current health care system
and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
 
 
6. Congress must equally abide
by all laws they impose on the American people.
 
 
7. All contracts
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The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
 
 
 
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should
serve their term(s),
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Okay I like this.

The only special privileges you should get for serving your country, is serving your country. Honor is reward enough.
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2013, 10:39:03 AM »
from Warren Buffett:

Congressional Reform Act of 2012
 
1. No Tenure/No Pension
A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.
 
 
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately.
All future funds flow into the Social Security system,  and Congress participates with the American people.It may not be used for any other purpose.
 
 
3. Congress can purchase
their own retirement plan,  just as all Americans do.
 
 
4. Congress will no longer vote
themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
 
 
5. Congress loses their current health care system
and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
 
 
6. Congress must equally abide
by all laws they impose on the American people.
 
 
7. All contracts
with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/12.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
 
 
 
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should
serve their term(s),
then go home and back to work.

Okay I like this.

The only special privileges you should get for serving your country, is serving your country. Honor is reward enough.
Wrong. See Section 1 of the 13th amendment. I cashed every pay check the USN ever issued to me. How many of your Army pay checks did you NOT cash?

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2013, 11:00:43 AM »
Thats a good point, but thats not what I meant. People should be paid for the work they do so they can eat and have a place to live, sure. But they should still be subject to the same rules and general flow of society everyone else is.

When I was in the army we didn't really think of things much different than when we were civilians. Sure we had to do PT in the morning and had additional training excersises at regular intervals, but we still did the regular nine to five most people do.

My point it, this is a job. These people shouldn't be treating others like cattle.
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2013, 12:21:00 PM »
They should be subject to the same laws they pass for everyone else.

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2013, 12:24:23 PM »
Exactly. And they are absolutely not, as things are now.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2013, 05:42:00 PM »
Sen. Rand Paul ended his quest Thursday to block a vote on the nomination of John Brennan to be CIA director after he received an answer from the Obama administration about his question on drones.

Paul's decision to back down cleared the way for a final Senate vote this afternoon, and the chamber confirmed Brennan in a 63-34 vote that crossed party lines.

In a letter to Paul Thursday afternoon, Attorney General Eric Holder said that the president does not have the authority to use a drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on U.S. soil.

"It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question: 'Does the President have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill an American not engaged in combat on American soil?' The answer to that question is no," the three-sentence letter stated.

In an interview with CNN's Dana Bash, Paul said he was satisfied with the response.

"I'm quite happy with the answer," the Republican senator from Kentucky said. "I'm disappointed it took a month and a half and a root canal to get it, but we did get the answer."

Bringing attention to his question, Paul led a nearly 13-hour filibuster on the Senate floor Wednesday, blocking the confirmation process for Brennan to move forward.

The senator hit back at criticism that he was simply trying to be an obstructionist. Paul argued, rather, he was trying to get information.

"You use the leverage of your position and the procedures up here, I think, for a greater good," he said. "This is an example, I think, of trying to do something you really strongly believe in."

At 1:15 p.m. ET, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the letter was sent to Paul "within the last half hour or so."

But the senator did not see the letter until shortly after 2 p.m. ET.

Elaborating further on the administration's position, Carney said Thursday that the technology of a drone strike does not change the law.

"The president swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, and he is bound by the law, whether the lethal force in question is a drone strike or a gun shot, the law and the constitution apply in the same way," he said.

Asked by CNN National Political Correspondent Jim Acosta whether the president could use such force to prevent at attack on U.S. soil, Carney said "you can make sort of wild hypotheticals but that doesn't, they don't change the law."

"It is certainly the case that the president, in part of his oath to the Constitution, to uphold the Constitution, is sworn to protect the United States," he said. "And in event like an attack like Pearl Harbor or an attack like 9/11–obviously the president has the constitutional authority to take action to prevent those kinds of attacks, but that has nothing to do with the technology used to prevent those attacks."

Earlier this week, Paul took issue with Holder's recent admission, in which he said he could envision a scenario where a drone strike would, in fact, be ordered against Americans on U.S. soil.

While Holder said it's never been done before and he could only see it in an extraordinary circumstance, Paul said he was disturbed by the idea that an American citizen would lose his or her rights while within the country's borders.

Holder narrowed the list of those possible extraordinary circumstances Wednesday. In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pressed Holder on whether he believed it would be constitutional to target an American terror suspect "sitting at a cafe" if the suspect didn't pose an imminent threat.

After first saying it would be "inappropriate," Holder attempted to clarify his answer by giving a firm "no."

But he also said the government has no intention of carrying out drone strikes inside the United States. Echoing what he said in a separate letter to Paul sent earlier this week, he called the possibility of domestic drone strikes "entirely hypothetical."


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...?hpt=hp_t2


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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 10:11:52 AM »
from Warren Buffett:

Congressional Reform Act of 2012
 
1. No Tenure/No Pension
A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.
 
 
2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.
All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately.
All future funds flow into the Social Security system,  and Congress participates with the American people.It may not be used for any other purpose.
 
 
3. Congress can purchase
their own retirement plan,  just as all Americans do.
 
 
4. Congress will no longer vote
themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.
 
 
5. Congress loses their current health care system
and participates in the same health care system as the American people.
 
 
6. Congress must equally abide
by all laws they impose on the American people.
 
 
7. All contracts
with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 12/1/12.
The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.
Congress made all these contracts for themselves.
 
 
 
Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career.
The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should
serve their term(s),
then go home and back to work.
That would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

I also think members of congress ought to have to complete continuing education, to (ideally) reduce their ignorance of the things they vote on.  It's not an unusual requirement.  I have to, to keep my license.  Most medical professionals have to.  Why not congress?  They, realistically, can effect more people with one decision than I probably will in a lifetime.  How 'bout we put more onus on them to be knowledgeable about the lives they play with?
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I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2013, 10:20:58 AM »
Oh I think they're quite knowledgable. They're just corrupt fucks.
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I will never stop...
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2013, 04:37:28 PM »
No, a lot of them are utterly clueless when it comes to technology, for example.
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2013, 04:42:11 PM »


Oh I think they're quite knowledgable. They're just corrupt fucks.


I agree with the corruption, but some politicians' comments on rape lately have shone a pretty bright light on just how out of touch they really are.

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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2013, 05:56:58 AM »


Oh I think they're quite knowledgable. They're just corrupt fucks.


I agree with the corruption, but some politicians' comments on rape lately have shone a pretty bright light on just how out of touch they really are.
*nod*  Some of the bullshit they said about rape was due to a genuine lack of understanding about basic human physiology.

I really, really don't think they actually know enough about a lot of the things they make decisions on to qualify them as making "informed" decisions.
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Re: Drone strikes on U.S. soil
« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2013, 07:37:22 PM »
Only by consorting with the general public should politicians be considered as having the knowledge to make an informed decision.
"I’m fearless in my heart.
They will always see that in my eyes.
I am the passion; I am the warfare.
I will never stop...
always constant, accurate, and intense."

  - Steve Vai, "The Audience is Listening"