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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2007, 02:03:12 AM »
I agree, but, I'm deferring to Mr. Bouchards judgement,  however I have suggested that this info be passed on to the group "pervertedjustice" which works with MSNBC on the show, "To catch a predator".  I'll assume that anybody in the US has heard about this program.  But, to anybody else, it is a show that uses actor's pretending to be underage or young teens, who go into chat rooms, find predators and then lure the predators into coming to a house where the predator thinks they are going to have sex with a young teen boy or girl.  Instead they find a camera crew and and a newsman who interviews them on camera as to why they show up at this house.  The show is in it's 7th or 8th edition, some predators being caught twice.  When they leave they are immediately arrested by police, so their faces, names and everything else are caught on tape and made public.  It's sickening, but fascinating and darkly humorous. especially when the perverts try to convince the news crew that they were not there to have sex with a minor.  But, are confronted with the chat logs and everything else.

That's a very good concept. In our country it's forbidden to do so, though. It's called "crime provocation". Cops can get fired or even jailed, if they do something like that...it's also illegal to put the identities of convicted pedophiles on the internet. The one who does, risks to get on trial him/herself and pay the pedophile compensation for "defamation"... ::)

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2007, 03:19:11 AM »
I'm of two minds here. On one hand, I'm a father and think that "exposing" a pedophile is a good thing. the creeps frequenting chatrooms to predate on young girls (and boys) deserve to be in jail. On the other, I can see the danger--you are, in fact, provoking a crime, not exposing one already committed, which does make you an accomplish, according to the laws of more than one country. I'm also concerned that the "innocent until proven guilty" concept is thrown out of the window. It's entirely possible to frame an innocent person like this, and while his innocence could probably be proven later, his name would already be out there and he would more than likely be convicted in the minds of the public,
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #197 on: February 02, 2007, 04:08:35 AM »
I'm of two minds here. On one hand, I'm a father and think that "exposing" a pedophile is a good thing. the creeps frequenting chatrooms to predate on young girls (and boys) deserve to be in jail. On the other, I can see the danger--you are, in fact, provoking a crime, not exposing one already committed, which does make you an accomplish, according to the laws of more than one country. I'm also concerned that the "innocent until proven guilty" concept is thrown out of the window. It's entirely possible to frame an innocent person like this, and while his innocence could probably be proven later, his name would already be out there and he would more than likely be convicted in the minds of the public,

I'm also of two minds, but I think that if someone repeatedly committs these kinds of crimes, so that there is as good as 0% risk that he'd be innocent, it's not wrong to put him out in public.

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #198 on: February 02, 2007, 04:24:06 AM »
I'm of two minds here. On one hand, I'm a father and think that "exposing" a pedophile is a good thing. the creeps frequenting chatrooms to predate on young girls (and boys) deserve to be in jail. On the other, I can see the danger--you are, in fact, provoking a crime, not exposing one already committed, which does make you an accomplish, according to the laws of more than one country. I'm also concerned that the "innocent until proven guilty" concept is thrown out of the window. It's entirely possible to frame an innocent person like this, and while his innocence could probably be proven later, his name would already be out there and he would more than likely be convicted in the minds of the public,

I'm also of two minds, but I think that if someone repeatedly committs these kinds of crimes, so that there is as good as 0% risk that he'd be innocent, it's not wrong to put him out in public.

I agree.
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #199 on: February 02, 2007, 05:54:39 AM »
Got up, straightened my bed, looked out the window, eaten a choc mousse, drunk a coffee and posted.

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #200 on: February 02, 2007, 07:16:01 AM »
I'm of two minds here. On one hand, I'm a father and think that "exposing" a pedophile is a good thing. the creeps frequenting chatrooms to predate on young girls (and boys) deserve to be in jail. On the other, I can see the danger--you are, in fact, provoking a crime, not exposing one already committed, which does make you an accomplish, according to the laws of more than one country. I'm also concerned that the "innocent until proven guilty" concept is thrown out of the window. It's entirely possible to frame an innocent person like this, and while his innocence could probably be proven later, his name would already be out there and he would more than likely be convicted in the minds of the public,

I understand your concern, but, these creeps are initiating contact in a chat room, plus the actor playing the "kid' does mention several times that they are underage and asks the creeps if they really want to do this.  The creeps are given ample opportunity to back out.  Plus, no one forces them to show up at the designated house, once there, no one forces them to stay, they are free to leave any time even after confronted with the chat logs.  It's when they leave that they are arrested the cars and the creeps computers are seized and searched.  In the cars are condoms, alchohol, porn, etc.  On the computers is found kiddie porn!  9 times out of 10 they bring booze into the house, which is another crime under US law, furnishing alcohol to underage kids.

But, what gives this show an even more edge of absurdity, is that most of those caught have watched the show, know how it works and even know whats going to happen next.  THEY KNOW, yet they still do this thing.

Also under US law, it is illegal to engage in any kind of lewd act with a minor, that includes computer chat rooms.  These actors are pretending to be minors, but, they are NOT initiating the lewd conduct.  That is made perfectly clear from the start.

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #201 on: February 02, 2007, 07:49:59 AM »
I have not seen or heard of the show, but I hope they continue to catch a lot of creeps!
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #202 on: February 02, 2007, 08:24:33 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/

Here's a link to some info about it!  Google, "To catch a predator" for more links and info.

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #203 on: February 02, 2007, 08:32:39 AM »
Ozy, I have not seen the show, and reacted to a more general case. It sounds like they're pretty well covered up in that show and I certainly won't lose any sleep for the creeps they catch.
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #204 on: February 02, 2007, 10:54:48 AM »
I'd bow but McJ actually thought of mine.  :laugh:

meh, i'm funny.  but i have very little depth.
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #205 on: February 02, 2007, 11:05:11 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/

Here's a link to some info about it!  Google, "To catch a predator" for more links and info.

I saw that on Dateline, I think.  I could not pull myself away from it.  I could not believe some of the things these creeps were saying online to girls they thought were 13 years old and some of the stuff they brought to her 'house' to meet her.  It made me angry.  Right now, I watch my daughter closely enough on the internet so nothing like this could happen to her, but what happens when she becomes more independent?  A friend installed Net Nanny on his teenage children's computer, but they were outraged when they found out about it.

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #206 on: February 02, 2007, 11:38:03 AM »
Haven't done it yet, but in a few minutes, I'm going to finish the set-up on a classic rock-n-roll organ that the jazz band I help out has found.
THEY FOUND A WORKING B3!!!!!
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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #207 on: February 03, 2007, 03:38:17 AM »
I'd bow but McJ actually thought of mine.  :laugh:

meh, i'm funny.  but i have very little depth.

i think you have more than you let on.  ;)

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #208 on: February 03, 2007, 10:28:59 AM »
Driven across the country and met my little love.  :heart:

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Re: What have you done today?
« Reply #209 on: February 05, 2007, 10:52:06 PM »
I'd bow but McJ actually thought of mine.  :laugh:

meh, i'm funny.  but i have very little depth.

i think you have more than you let on.  ;)

surely, you are blinded by lust. :laugh:
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