Are hate crime enhancements fair?

[TheoK]

According to democracy it's "right" that a majority rapes a minority.

I am of course not in favour of such a rape system.

[midlifeaspie]

According to democracy it's "right" that a majority rapes a minority.

I am of course not in favour of such a rape system.

"Democracy" is a single aspect of a well-functioning society.  As I have said twice now, "it depends".  The majority does not have the right to repress the rights of minority groups for instance.  This is why democracy has to be combined with a broad, correctly written constitution, and a strong, independent judiciary dedicated to upholding said constitution.

I take it you are not going to answer my question?

[TheoK]

What should I answer? No one has the right to rule someone else. Democracy is as wrong as dictatorship. Anyone has the right to do what he pleases as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else. The one trying to stop him from enjoying his natural rights is the real criminal. Thus all states are criminal.

[midlifeaspie]

Anyone has the right to do what he pleases as long as he doesn't hurt anyone else.

And who enforces that caveat?  Who makes the determination if one's actions are hurting someone else?  Who decides when it is okay to hurt someone else because failing to hurt one person a little will result in hurting many people a much greater amount?  How is the person, or people, making these decisions not "ruling" people in the way you are decrying?

[TheoK]

In most cases it would regulate itself, unlike this instutionalized rape that is called "the state", "democracy" etc.

[midlifeaspie]

In most cases it would regulate itself, unlike this instutionalized rape that is called "the state", "democracy" etc.

How?  And what do you do in the cases where it doesn't?

[TheoK]

In most cases it would regulate itself, unlike this instutionalized rape that is called "the state", "democracy" etc.

How?  And what do you do in the cases where it doesn't?

Most things regulate themselves if left alone. The sheer ignorance of this fact depends on brainwash from the state.

The state on the other hand can't protect you. If the mafia wants to kill you, how would the state protect you from that, even if it wanted to?

[midlifeaspie]

In most cases it would regulate itself, unlike this instutionalized rape that is called "the state", "democracy" etc.

How?  And what do you do in the cases where it doesn't?

Most things regulate themselves if left alone. The sheer ignorance of this fact depends on brainwash from the state.

The state on the other hand can't protect you. If the mafia wants to kill you, how would the state protect you from that, even if it wanted to?

Rather than answer the questions posed to you in the style of true debate, you keep changing the subject or whitewashing over your answers much in the style of a religious zealot trying to justify their "faith".

[TheoK]

What do you want me to answer?

Simple fact: there exists no "social contract", since no one ever gave their consent to something like that. There has never been a situation where men free from a state sat down and totally voluntarily and from a totally equal negotiation position made something like that up.

[midlifeaspie]

What do you want me to answer?

This is my fourth and last attempt.  After you dodge it this time we will just agree to disagree

Define a "moral right to exist".  Better yet, give me an example of something you you deem has a moral right to existence.

[Pyraxis]

My argument would be that by remaining in the country, you are giving your consent.  You can always leave.

This would make a lot more sense to me if there were more land left in the world that didn't already have a country on it.

[midlifeaspie]

My argument would be that by remaining in the country, you are giving your consent.  You can always leave.

This would make a lot more sense to me if there were more land left in the world that didn't already have a country on it.

There are plenty of places that belong to a country but have no functional government.  Much of Africa for instance.

[odeon]

We've had a few variations of this particular discussion. Your stamina is impressive.

[ZEGH8578]

Democracy is a catastrophe, and is _entirely_ reliant on a well educated population. Commercialism and capitalism is detrimental to a functioning democracy.

"Democracy" has become a cult-word. If you speak against it, you are a terrorist or another similar cult-word, "insurgent" maybe, who cares. I do not understand how people have come to see democracy as a synonym for complete success. India is a democracy. Kenya is a democracy. Peru is a democracy. America is a democracy. So far, "democracy" is proving to be just as disastrous as any other method of ruling a nation. Compare communist, one-party USSR (boo hoo they didn't have the freedom to wank around and wear mickey mouse hats! the injustice!!!) and federalist Russia (hurray! 70% of GDP is directly controlled by organized crime groups!)
it is just not "a single example" or "a bad apple", but it is a hallmark of what happens when you implement western style democracy (democracy + rampant market liberalism + complete removal of state control)

And Lit, I know you hate da state, but there's bad states and good states and in-between-states. Humans are wild creatures, and need to be governed. Maybe it offends you personally, but think of everyone else.
Think of when you're out driving in a car w the boys. Young, cool men often like to not wear the safety belt. Suggesting to wear it, is often interpreted as a lack of trust towards the driver, so what I tell them is: OUR driver may be good and well, but who knows what bastard may slam into our side?
An optimal government should be a regulator, to make sure the strong don't trample all over the weak, simply because they can. It also should be an "umbrella" that everyone contributes to, and that then spreads this wealth evenly, so that decent roads are built in both the rich and the poor neighborhood, and not just the one who can pay for it. Society today has reduced itself to revolve entirely around money, but luckily this is not grounded in biology, but in culture. This means that this particular issue (rampant capitalism) can be fixed French Revolution style.
*hopes*

[TheoK]

Yes, like Pasolini said: This society of conformism and consumerism is the real fascism, worse than the original.