Should the UK extradite computer hacker to the US?

[odeon]

That's what the Chinese say about you when approving another loan.

[bodie]

I don't think many Americans realise the rest of the world does not look upto its judicial system.

Well, our judicial system is unique in the world.  We are a common law system where most of the world uses a civil code system.  Only the US uses this system.  No, wait, sorry, almost forgot.  Only the UK and it's former colonies use this system.  Oh yeah, it isn't even our system.  It came from the Brits.

 

Indeed.  You have only had a few hundred years to sort it out.  Our colonial asses were kicked out big time.

Anyway, i was referring to a more recent refinement to your system!  Guantanamo Bay.   I got no idea if the stories of torture and even the poor treatment of children who were alleged to have been incarcerated are true.  However, that is the picture painted by the media.  Midnight Express revisited!

I do like you yanks, though 

[bodie]

I don't think it's the system being a common law system but having quite bizarre laws and punishments and also the attitude by those running the system 

Most of the "bizarre laws and punishments" come from the common law, not the civil code.  As such, they were inherited from England.  That's the only point I was trying to make

Agreed.  We wrote the book on barmy laws.  There used to be something called a 'dunking chair'   It gave men authority to strap their wives to a chair and dunk them in the local river...if they nagged too much!   

[Parts]

I don't think many Americans realise the rest of the world does not look upto its judicial system.

Well, our judicial system is unique in the world.  We are a common law system where most of the world uses a civil code system.  Only the US uses this system.  No, wait, sorry, almost forgot.  Only the UK and it's former colonies use this system.  Oh yeah, it isn't even our system.  It came from the Brits.

 

Indeed.  You have only had a few hundred years to sort it out.  Our colonial asses were kicked out big time.

Anyway, i was referring to a more recent refinement to your system!  Guantanamo Bay.   I got no idea if the stories of torture and even the poor treatment of children who were alleged to have been incarcerated are true.  However, that is the picture painted by the media.  Midnight Express revisited!

I do like you yanks, though 

That really has nothing to do with the judicial system in fact I think it is an insult to it.  This doesn't even begin to cover what goes on there.

[bodie]

I know.  It isn't even in the US is it? 

It really doesn't matter.  It is the image we get.  I was given the impression anyone remanded in custody could be thrown in there?

If so, i am sure it holds some weight on extradition matters as its reputation is so bad.   

[Parts]

I know.  It isn't even in the US is it? 

It really doesn't matter.  It is the image we get.  I was given the impression anyone remanded in custody could be thrown in there?

If so, i am sure it holds some weight on extradition matters as its reputation is so bad.

It's the military and the CIA running the place and as far as it not being in the US, Cuba is just 90 miles south of Florida. I do not believe they can send US citizens there but since all of this began they have been doing lots of things that they were not supposed to do in the name of "keeping the world safe" what a crock of shit that is.

[midlifeaspie]

I don't think many Americans realise the rest of the world does not look upto its judicial system.

Well, our judicial system is unique in the world.  We are a common law system where most of the world uses a civil code system.  Only the US uses this system.  No, wait, sorry, almost forgot.  Only the UK and it's former colonies use this system.  Oh yeah, it isn't even our system.  It came from the Brits.

 

Indeed.  You have only had a few hundred years to sort it out.  Our colonial asses were kicked out big time.

Anyway, i was referring to a more recent refinement to your system!  Guantanamo Bay.   I got no idea if the stories of torture and even the poor treatment of children who were alleged to have been incarcerated are true.  However, that is the picture painted by the media.  Midnight Express revisited!

I do like you yanks, though 

An argument can be made that Gitmo isn't really a part of our judicial system, but rather executive power via the military run amok.

[odeon]

To an outside observer, that is a mere technicality.

[bodie]

An argument can be made that Gitmo isn't really a part of our judicial system, but rather executive power via the military run amok.

Agreed it would not be seen as part of your system to US citizens.  US citizens are not detained there.

If, you were not a US citizen and were facing extradition on a terrorist charge then i think Guantanamo would dominate your thoughts regarding how you would likely be treated by the US.

[Al Swearegen]

An argument can be made that Gitmo isn't really a part of our judicial system, but rather executive power via the military run amok.

Agreed it would not be seen as part of your system to US citizens.  US citizens are not detained there.

If, you were not a US citizen and were facing extradition on a terrorist charge then i think Guantanamo would dominate your thoughts regarding how you would likely be treated by the US.

True and it is a by the degrees thing. Petition for extradition of a non-US Citizen, once they are there, call them a terrorist (hold them as a terrorist in the Guantanemo Bay prison without trial (or miliatry trial if so) suspend any real rights, and then incarcerate them indefinitely.
Cite the Patriot Act if called on it and the protection of the sovreignty of the US as need be.
All of this is wrong and endorsed by the leaders of US explicitly and implicitly

[midlifeaspie]

You won't see me defending Gitmo.  I voted for the guy who promised to shut it down.  Can't help that he turned out to be different than advertised.

[TheoK]

They all are.

[Al Swearegen]

You won't see me defending Gitmo.  I voted for the guy who promised to shut it down.  Can't help that he turned out to be different than advertised.

Yup. I am not trying to do a soapbox rant, just trying to show what other countries look at with extraditions and such. It is not the US citizen's fault it is the higher echelons of US policy makers and military.

[TA]

The use of AS in this case, just no

However, the US is out of their jurisdiction and they need to, as the English say, "Get Stuffed".

Besides, if you can't beat them, hire them.

[Lestat]

He has suffered enough.

And as for the US judicial system, its fucked up, we brits have it bad enough as it is, but US 'justice'  appears to be anything but just.