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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2006, 03:29:35 AM »
I believe it will be only a few Christians where every go to Heaven.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2006, 03:32:57 AM »
most Christians I know (and i do know a wide variety from liberal to fundamentalist) believe that a Jew will go to hell unless they are a Christian (Messianic?) Jew.

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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2006, 03:39:25 AM »
I don't even believe in a Hell either.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2006, 03:45:04 AM »
Yes, but only Jews who have converted to Christianity can enter Heaven, once again according to the Bible.

It's actually not quite that simple. In the original Christian concept, and in some variations today, there is a purgatory to help decide these things, and no-one enters heaven until the end of time. In others, a more predestined view is held (if you were a Christian when born, etc...), and in still others, it is God alone that decides. Jehova's Witnesses, on the other hand, believe that only a select few actually enter heaven; they then rule over the remaining people, left on Earth for eternal life.

Remember that all of these variations of Christianity get their interpretations from the Bible, in one way or another, so to actually prove that the Bible says one thing or another, you'll have to put a lot more effort into it. Start by studying theology, Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew so you can read a Bible untainted by translations.

Obviously, the issue of what will happen to jews and others) is not as clear-cut as it would seem at first glance.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #64 on: December 06, 2006, 03:54:23 AM »
For sure I do not believe also in a purgatory or predestination either.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #65 on: December 06, 2006, 06:45:52 AM »
pffft.

If people in other countries tell us what to wear (like when you have to wear sleeved shirts in some other countries or you get spat on) why shouldn't they be told what to wear here?

If we try to fit into their culture, they should try and fit into ours.

nuff said.

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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #66 on: December 06, 2006, 07:23:30 AM »
Jesus was a Jew, you know. ::)

Jews for Jesus are, in fact, the early Christians.

12 to spread the word.  minus judas, then add paul.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #67 on: December 06, 2006, 07:57:12 AM »
Jesus was a Jew, you know. ::)

Jews for Jesus are, in fact, the early Christians.

12 to spread the word.  minus judas, then add paul.
Not true it was Matthais was selected next because of Judas needed to be replace and He took Judas place instead as a Apostle. Acts1:23-26.

Paul became came a Apostle later and a different way instead.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #68 on: December 06, 2006, 07:58:44 AM »
Jesus was a Jew, you know. ::)

Jews for Jesus are, in fact, the early Christians.

12 to spread the word.  minus judas, then add paul.
Not true it was Matthais was selected next because of Judas needed to be replace and He took Judas place instead as a Apostle. Acts1:23-26.

Paul became came a Apostle later and a different way instead.

paul was chosen personally.

he was a persecutor of christians and became the most influential apostle.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #69 on: December 06, 2006, 08:02:07 AM »
Jesus was a Jew, you know. ::)

Jews for Jesus are, in fact, the early Christians.

12 to spread the word.  minus judas, then add paul.
Not true it was Matthais was selected next because of Judas needed to be replace and He took Judas place instead as a Apostle. Acts1:23-26.

Paul became came a Apostle later and a different way instead.

paul was chosen personally.

he was a persecutor of christians and became the most influential apostle.
Only because to Us He has the most books or letters written in the Christian Scriptures.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #70 on: December 06, 2006, 08:03:54 AM »
we have nothing else to go by.


actually, judas was the most influential, if you think about it.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #71 on: December 06, 2006, 09:01:34 AM »
we have nothing else to go by.


actually, judas was the most influential, if you think about it.
Many of the original disciples wanted to be the most influential among themselves. Judas did hold the money purse but was not anymore influential than any other.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #72 on: December 06, 2006, 09:04:24 AM »
jesus dying for the sins is the crux of the christian faith.

judas was instrumental in making that shit happen.
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #73 on: December 06, 2006, 09:10:51 AM »
jesus dying for the sins is the crux of the christian faith.

judas was instrumental in making that shit happen.
It was foreseen even prophesied about one of His disciples betray Him
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Re: Should any government have the right to tell people what they can wear?
« Reply #74 on: December 06, 2006, 09:16:35 AM »
jesus dying for the sins is the crux of the christian faith.

judas was instrumental in making that shit happen.
It was foreseen even prophesied about one of His disciples betray Him
reguardless, it was him that set the events in motion.
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