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Offline Callaway

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Submarine Dilemma
« on: November 18, 2006, 09:41:19 AM »
Submarine Dilemma:  You are the captain of a submarine and a compartment is leaking where there are 50 sailors inside.  You can close the compartment door immediately, trapping and killing all 50 sailors, OR you can take a 10% chance that you will kill all 1000 people on the submarine by leaving the door open for long enough for the 50 sailors to get out.  What do you do?
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2006, 10:21:29 AM »
I'd close the door...  the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and all that
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2006, 10:45:10 AM »
whos this guy a fucking vulcan. but i agree
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2006, 10:53:36 AM »
I would allow time for half of them to escape, as the chance of fucking the lot would be halved (5%, for 1000 crew = 50 lives cost = risk-reward equal). that way we end up with best likely outcome. I'm aware the act of allowing each crew member to escape would shift the risk-return curve, but I don't have time or inclination to plot the exact best number, so I'll go with saving 25 of them before pulling the plug. (yeah, I've done some ops research but its rusty. lol)
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2006, 11:07:27 AM »
Quote from: steven210677 on November 18, 2006, 10:45:10 AM
whos this guy a fucking vulcan.
LMFAO :LMAO:
Thank you, I needed that
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2006, 09:21:17 AM »
Quote from: Dragoon on November 18, 2006, 10:21:29 AM
I'd close the door...  the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and all that

i would do this.
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2006, 09:22:30 AM »
We all live in a yellow submarine, yellow submarine, yellow submarine...
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2006, 02:05:21 PM »
Definitely let the fifty out!
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2006, 02:14:45 PM »
I honestly don't know what I would do if faced with situation for real, a 10% risk of killing everyone seems pretty low though and I think it would be pretty hard to shut the door on those 50 sailors.

What would you do Callaway?
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2006, 02:22:43 PM »
I'm never going to go into a fucking submarine.  They freak me out.
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I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2006, 02:25:04 PM »
Climb in and shut the door.
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2006, 02:26:59 PM »
Quote from: Nomaken on November 19, 2006, 02:25:04 PM
Climb in and shut the door.

So you'd justify sacrificing the 50 sailors because you sacrificed yourself too?
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2006, 02:28:00 PM »
Basically yes.  If I am going to kill 50 of my loyal friends and ship mates, i think it would only be fair to them if they knew I was sharing their sacrifice.
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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2006, 02:34:04 PM »
Fuck that.  If we're going for suicide, is this a military submarine with guns somewhere so I can go in and shoot them so they'll die more peacefully, then shoot myself because after killing 50 people I think I'd be pretty much ready to off myself?
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Quote from: odeon on April 30, 2010, 01:35:57 AM
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Quote from: Lit on November 02, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
I think you'd fit in a 12" or at least a 16" firework mortar
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You win this thread because that's most unsettling to even think about.

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Re: Submarine Dilemma
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2006, 02:35:24 PM »
Quote from: Nomaken on November 19, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
Basically yes.  If I am going to kill 50 of my loyal friends and ship mates, i think it would only be fair to them if they knew I was sharing their sacrifice.

Wouldn't you want to take the 90% chance you could save them all?
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