Should Peter Sutcliffe get his pension?

[bodie]

For the benefit of those who don't know

Peter Sutcliffe  =  Yorkshire Ripper!

He was jailed in the early eighties for murdering 13 women and attacking 7 more  not a nice man.

Facts i know about
*  He has already been given 'legal aid' to take this to the European Court of Human Rights.

*  He is not in a prison, but in Broadmoor, a secure hospital.

*  He is 65 years old,  the age most men get pensions.
*  He did work for many years as a truck driver and obviously paid taxes.  In other words - he made a contribution.
* His own words on the matter  "I paid my taxes, the government OWES ME"

So,  should he get his pension?  At the moment he has been denied it.  On a matter of law,  i don't know how it stands.  I think it is likely to be a test case.  On a moral level,  should he have it?

Meh? i think he gets fed and watered and i just don't know what he can buy in Broadmoor?  Is he just being a stickler?  Maybe his hatred of hookers stems from the fact they don't pay tax

I guess if i were running things i would just give it to him,  but on the quiet i would slacken off his security a little at certain times, like when other inmates could harm him again. POS.

[Icequeen]

Dispense it to the families of the 13.

[Phallacy]

Yeah, he should get his pension. In the form of gobs of cash being shoved down his throat, strangling him.

[odeon]

Yes, he should get it unless it was part off his sentence (which sounds a bit odd, tbh). Because if not, the state will have arbitrarily changed laws and regulations to suit someone's dislike of what he did. What's next? Should he be denied medical care? Should they give him less to eat at the hospital? How about straight to bed without dinner for a few months?

Yes, the man is an abomination but either everyone is equal under the law or none is. Which, of course, means that you could be next (meaning the generic "you").

[bodie]

I have just found out that anyone in hospital for more than six weeks has to inform the DWP and lose pension and other benefits anyway.  http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=1818891

I don't know what usually happens to prisoners,  but he is in a hospital.  Broadmoor.  It will be interesting to see what the European Court ruling is.

[odeon]

Well, if that's the case, then it's a different matter. What I'm opposed to is treating him differently from others in matters that have nothing to do with his crime.

[bodie]

Yeah i agree with that principal.   I must admit i posted about it after hearing it on the radio and hadn't read all the facts.   No one in prison get's a pension anyway.  I didn't know this when i made the original post.

I think i am being cynical but maybe he is doing this to become 'a hero' to the prison population.  If the court rules in favour then it will open the pathway for all prisoners over 65 to claim their pension, and probably other benefits too. ATM he is a special category prisoner, and has already been seriously attacked before by another inmate.  By doing this i wonder if he is going to try and move down a category with a view to getting parole?  Or am i just being cynical?

[odeon]

You're being cynical, of course.

[bodie]

Too many enid blyton books as a kid

[Queen Victoria]

In the US if you're incarcerated you will not receive Social Security for the time you're in prison.  However, members of Congress do receive their pensions even in incarcerated.

[Callaway]

In the US if you're incarcerated you will not receive Social Security for the time you're in prison.  However, members of Congress do receive their pensions even in incarcerated.

And I think that if the person were in a state mental hospital, then the state would get the person's Social Security check to at least partially cover the cost of their hospital stay.

[Queen Victoria]

In the US if you're incarcerated you will not receive Social Security for the time you're in prison.  However, members of Congress do receive their pensions even in incarcerated.

And I think that if the person were in a state mental hospital, then the state would get the person's Social Security check to at least partially cover the cost of their hospital stay.

That's probably right.  I was referring to prison.  One of the really hard things about prisoners who are released when they are old is that most of them do not have enough quarters earned to get Social Security, so they have nothing to support themselves with.  Don't see a solution, just one of the many things  you don't think about when commiting a crime.

[odeon]

Makes sense.

[P7PSP]

Dispense it to the families of the 13.

Fuck that scum. He should hang.

["couldbecousin"]

You're being cynical, of course.

 Our sweet Bodie, cynical?  Heavens, no!