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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2012, 04:11:52 PM »
Quote from: Adam on July 07, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
No such thing as free will

It's always at least $1.25/lb
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #46 on: July 10, 2012, 12:32:07 AM »
According to Schopenhauer, there is nothing but will, but the will is split up in quadrillions of illusions that it produces for itself, just to reveal the vanity of its striving.
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #47 on: July 10, 2012, 05:24:57 PM »
Quote from: Adam on July 07, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
No such thing as free will
When did you choose to believe that?
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #48 on: July 10, 2012, 06:34:24 PM »
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on July 10, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Adam on July 07, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
No such thing as free will
When did you choose to believe that?

Choose to believe...  choose to believe  what do you mean choose to believe every knows that we are all controlled by the Worldwide Mad Deadly Communist Gangster Computer God  :tinfoil:
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2012, 01:55:45 AM »
I think Will is locked up these days.
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #50 on: July 11, 2012, 02:30:33 AM »
The worst thing is that that is true  :-\
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #51 on: July 11, 2012, 07:48:37 AM »
Quote from: Adam on July 07, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
No such thing as free will

Free will is a construct of concepts.

Reality is we all do what we do when we do it - in connection with survival instincts.

There is nothing we do, that is unrelated to nature. Everything can be traced back to an active survival instinct.

In that sense, there is no such thing as "free will" - but it is also the only kind of will we have. So IF we are to call something "free will", when we are to synonymize "instinct" with "free will".

If so, we do have "free will", we just call it many things, among them "survival instinct"

And before someone challenges my statement:
Playing tennis - proving your physique - attaining a mate - survival instinct
Eating a snickers - energy consumption (sugars and fats are highly valued) - survival instinct
Watching tv - natural curiousity for new impressions - consistent with an oportunistic lifestyle - exploring new regions/foods/methods - survival instinct
Masturbating - ... ok, you got me there.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 07:50:24 AM by ZEGH8578 »
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #52 on: July 11, 2012, 08:08:15 AM »
Or from a strictly physical point of view: ball A gives an impact to ball B which gives an impact to ball C. None of these balls can chose and neither can the particles in our brains.

Indetermination, like in quantum physics, isn't free will either. It's will at will but not at our will.
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #53 on: July 11, 2012, 12:56:03 PM »
The movie Free Willy was about this, wasn't it?
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #54 on: July 11, 2012, 02:36:57 PM »
Quote from: Dexter Morgan on July 10, 2012, 05:24:57 PM
Quote from: Adam on July 07, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
No such thing as free will
When did you choose to believe that?

I didnt
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #55 on: July 11, 2012, 06:12:32 PM »
Quote from: odeon on July 11, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
The movie Free Willy was about this, wasn't it?
:indeed: A modern classic.  :nerd!: Using the Michael Jackson music was not inadvertent. Willy as a Black and White Killer Whale was a metaphor for Jackson's  :shamone: own yearning to be a proper  :hitler: Aryan. And the young boy Nevermind, we will not discuss that.  :christ:
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2012, 02:07:41 AM »
Quote from: Cassanova Frankenstein on July 11, 2012, 06:12:32 PM
Quote from: odeon on July 11, 2012, 12:56:03 PM
The movie Free Willy was about this, wasn't it?
:indeed: A modern classic.  :nerd!: Using the Michael Jackson music was not inadvertent. Willy as a Black and White Killer Whale was a metaphor for Jackson's  :shamone: own yearning to be a proper  :hitler: Aryan. And the young boy Nevermind, we will not discuss that.  :christ:

Or maybe it was about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky's little affair. :zoinks:
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #57 on: July 12, 2012, 02:44:34 AM »
 :indeed: that is a workable alternate theory.  :thumbup:
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #58 on: July 12, 2012, 02:50:47 AM »
In which case it ties neatly into the topic at hand.
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Re: Determinism & Free Will
« Reply #59 on: July 12, 2012, 07:58:27 AM »
Tried to make a (sorta sensible) post in this thread but failed a couple of times doing so. Decided (free willing) not to post and chose (e.g.) to make myself a cup of coffee instead. Or the other time when I decided to just fed the birds outside.

Another example of ja, free will.. that has nothing to do with my survival instincts is e.g. me 'choosing' to like irises and don't give much of a fart about roses. Oh oh, shitty song on the radio.. quick change channels.. don't want that song in my head.

Okay, I understand in the bigger scheme those examples might be quite futile but for me it proves I do have free will on a micro scale, maybe, but still..
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