Suicide

[Bastet]

I am getting confused.  Is this about suicide or being mentally ill?  I don't believe all suicides are mentally ill.

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mental illness is a whole different chapter.

also:
i never said western wealthy problems arent real problems, and that suffering isnt real suffering. im saying put it in _perspective_, or else _any_ problem becomes _the biggest problem in the world_.
i really wasnt gonna repeat this, but its obvious i have to:
WHY DEATH!?

again, "pass me the potatoes, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!"

is suicide applicable to every problem on the entire scope of discomfort?
from a ruined life, to a shoelace slipping open?
really?
i burned my dinner today. i actually did. burned it. does this warrant suicide?

if someone has a problem, they should: deal with this problem in order to live their life without that particular problem.
suicide does not _relieve_ a problem, because death shuts off all reality for the dead person.

we have allready had mentioned suicide due to parents yelling. come on.
people kill themselves because their gf leaves them (two people i know of did this. one jumped off a bridge, the other hung herself in the shower, survived, but got permanent brain damage and is now in a vegetative state)

im not saying "snap out of it" at all, i am saying _deal with it_ <---NOT figuratively! deal with it as in WORK WITH IT: its not snappy! its not easy! it will take time and effort, and maybe life doesnt really get any better. so what? how high are your expectations?
starvation being "passive suicide" is total rubbish btw. i cant believe this "hurray, go-suicide!" mentality in here.

You sounded like you were belittling my problems and that night I wasn't thinking clearly. I have an extensive history of mental illness. I feel pain even when I try to think positively and look at all the good things. It is internal. It is chemical. I am declining. As the years go by it deepens. I don't know what to do. And to me death is a relief. I get really bad PMDD every fucking month my emotions are on a wild roller coaster. I have more low than highs and it's like drowning in quicksand. I'm not saying "go suicide" I am stating what I did and why I did it at the time. I have severe depression and it is not something I have control over. This goes far beyond "discomfort".

[ZEGH8578]

You sounded like you were belittling my problems and that night I wasn't thinking clearly. I have an extensive history of mental illness. I feel pain even when I try to think positively and look at all the good things. It is internal. It is chemical. I am declining. As the years go by it deepens. I don't know what to do. And to me death is a relief. I get really bad PMDD every fucking month my emotions are on a wild roller coaster. I have more low than highs and it's like drowning in quicksand. I'm not saying "go suicide" I am stating what I did and why I did it at the time. I have severe depression and it is not something I have control over. This goes far beyond "discomfort".

how do you know death is relief?
how many times a week do you kill yourself, so to feel the soothing, relaxing, thai-massage that is death?
or is death more like a nice glass of beer in the mediterranean sun?

tell me exactly in what manner you find death to be the most soothing.
why arent you dead right now btw? if death is such a tremendous joy, how come you sprung back to life?

[Bastet]

You sounded like you were belittling my problems and that night I wasn't thinking clearly. I have an extensive history of mental illness. I feel pain even when I try to think positively and look at all the good things. It is internal. It is chemical. I am declining. As the years go by it deepens. I don't know what to do. And to me death is a relief. I get really bad PMDD every fucking month my emotions are on a wild roller coaster. I have more low than highs and it's like drowning in quicksand. I'm not saying "go suicide" I am stating what I did and why I did it at the time. I have severe depression and it is not something I have control over. This goes far beyond "discomfort".

how do you know death is relief?
how many times a week do you kill yourself, so to feel the soothing, relaxing, thai-massage that is death?
or is death more like a nice glass of beer in the mediterranean sun?

tell me exactly in what manner you find death to be the most soothing.
why arent you dead right now btw? if death is such a tremendous joy, how come you sprung back to life?

There is a difference to a relief and being "soothing". I get depressed and I get so desperate I just want it to stop. I haven't killed myself because I am still fighting. Why the sarcasm? Are you incapable of talking normally? I am merely speaking my feelings on the subject. I don't know what your problem is.

[ZEGH8578]

I haven't killed myself because I am still fighting.

why are you still fighting?

people advertise death as such a relief, but if it was so awesome, we'd all go snuff ourselves, just to get it out of the way, wouldnt we?
why drudge through life, for any reason? why bother? death is like a party.

im not so much sarcastic, as i am being rethorical.

here is what i am actually saying:
death is _not_ relief. you cannot possibly know. you can pretend you know. you can tell yourself. who told you death is relief?
hm? dead people?
most likely you heard it from culture, movies, songs, bullshitters.
death isnt relief.
relief is something you _can experience_

how would you appreciate peace and quiet, if you are dead?
nobody even stops to consider this.

you say you want your discomfort to stop. i totally get that. but listen to your own words:
in this life, you want your problems to go away.
in other words:
you want a life, without these particular problems.

and that is why you keep fighting.

so...
a first step for everyone would be: stop fucking glorifying suicide. stop fucking bragging about it, and stop throwing it around like a casual greeting "hi, oh btw im gonna kill myself, i hate my life". not saying you did that specifically, but those attitudes are well abundant.
suicide isnt a sofa. its not a vacation. its not a painkiller.
for the 10th time, lets get some perspective on things.

as for you personally, deal with your problems. they may never go away completely, but when they diminish a bit, take notice and appreciate it - because you have perspective on things.

[Bastet]

I haven't killed myself because I am still fighting.

why are you still fighting?

people advertise death as such a relief, but if it was so awesome, we'd all go snuff ourselves, just to get it out of the way, wouldnt we?
why drudge through life, for any reason? why bother? death is like a party.

im not so much sarcastic, as i am being rethorical.

here is what i am actually saying:
death is _not_ relief. you cannot possibly know. you can pretend you know. you can tell yourself. who told you death is relief?
hm? dead people?
most likely you heard it from culture, movies, songs, bullshitters.
death isnt relief.
relief is something you _can experience_

how would you appreciate peace and quiet, if you are dead?
nobody even stops to consider this.

you say you want your discomfort to stop. i totally get that. but listen to your own words:
in this life, you want your problems to go away.
in other words:
you want a life, without these particular problems.

and that is why you keep fighting.

so...
a first step for everyone would be: stop fucking glorifying suicide. stop fucking bragging about it, and stop throwing it around like a casual greeting "hi, oh btw im gonna kill myself, i hate my life". not saying you did that specifically, but those attitudes are well abundant.
suicide isnt a sofa. its not a vacation. its not a painkiller.
for the 10th time, lets get some perspective on things.

as for you personally, deal with your problems. they may never go away completely, but when they diminish a bit, take notice and appreciate it - because you have perspective on things.

I am not glorifying suicide. I wasn't bragging. How did it sound like I was bragging? I felt like shit that night. It was a impulse decision. I am not the most sane person when my depression gets beyond a certain point. I had a head injury at 3 1/2 which may have caused or exacerbated my chemical imbalance. (37 stitches) I have problems and I am trying more things to do to solve them. I can't smoke pot, it won't mix with my meds.

I also don't glorify suicide. I help those if they are suicidal and I don't advocate suicide to others. I just think about it a lot myself because of how I feel most of the time.

[ZEGH8578]

I haven't killed myself because I am still fighting.

why are you still fighting?

people advertise death as such a relief, but if it was so awesome, we'd all go snuff ourselves, just to get it out of the way, wouldnt we?
why drudge through life, for any reason? why bother? death is like a party.

im not so much sarcastic, as i am being rethorical.

here is what i am actually saying:
death is _not_ relief. you cannot possibly know. you can pretend you know. you can tell yourself. who told you death is relief?
hm? dead people?
most likely you heard it from culture, movies, songs, bullshitters.
death isnt relief.
relief is something you _can experience_

how would you appreciate peace and quiet, if you are dead?
nobody even stops to consider this.

you say you want your discomfort to stop. i totally get that. but listen to your own words:
in this life, you want your problems to go away.
in other words:
you want a life, without these particular problems.

and that is why you keep fighting.

so...
a first step for everyone would be: stop fucking glorifying suicide. stop fucking bragging about it, and stop throwing it around like a casual greeting "hi, oh btw im gonna kill myself, i hate my life". not saying you did that specifically, but those attitudes are well abundant.
suicide isnt a sofa. its not a vacation. its not a painkiller.
for the 10th time, lets get some perspective on things.

as for you personally, deal with your problems. they may never go away completely, but when they diminish a bit, take notice and appreciate it - because you have perspective on things.

I am not glorifying suicide. I wasn't bragging. How did it sound like I was bragging? I felt like shit that night. It was a impulse decision. I am not the most sane person when my depression gets beyond a certain point. I had a head injury at 3 1/2 which may have caused or exacerbated my chemical imbalance. (37 stitches) I have problems and I am trying more things to do to solve them. I can't smoke pot, it won't mix with my meds.

I also don't glorify suicide. I help those if they are suicidal and I don't advocate suicide to others. I just think about it a lot myself because of how I feel most of the time.

most of my rantings in this thread have been aimed in general directions, not so much at you personally.

[Adam]

but how often do ppl kill themselves purely over such trivial things? if they do, then clearly there is something else the matter

[ZEGH8578]

but how often do ppl kill themselves purely over such trivial things? if they do, then clearly there is something else the matter

many are just irrational and misguided.
or simply religious... as in, believing in heavens, afterlives, reincarnations, etc

unfortunately, the solution is probably an "ideal world", so thats not gonna happen.
as in, a society where people are tought to be more open about their feelings.
i see parents ashamed at talking "openly and softly" to their own kids.
like... im not gonna HUG my PAL stein, and tell him "there there, you are important to me!" cus that would be fuckin gay

but a PARENT should do that to their kids. but in this society, they dont, cus they think it would be gay...

we are too shut in, as a society, and too ashamed at being open and honest.
unfortunately...

[odeon]

but how often do ppl kill themselves purely over such trivial things? if they do, then clearly there is something else the matter

People kill themselves for all sorts of reasons, not all of which that are "serious" to everybody else.

['andersom']

@ ZEGH, You are right that starvation is not suicide.

But, someone neglecting her or himself, because of depression, in the west, to the point of not eating, or drinking, would get transferred to a hospital. Have gotten an acquaintance of mine there twice, nearly starved and severely dehydrated. Starving can be suicide. In the west, it would be something to treat. In third world country, that person would probably just be another person dying of starvation. That is what I meant.

The people I know closer that committed suicide, or have attempted to do so all had horrible histories or mental issues.

Religious people, well, to most of them suicide would be a sin. And reincarnation would be no comfort at all. Problems not solved in this life will hit you again in the next.

I am agreeing with you if it is about how in the west suffering seems to have become unacceptable. People do suffer. People will have pain. Part of being human. Making suffering unacceptable will make that some will claim their innate right to happiness when they get a dent in their car, where others will ignore how deeply depressed they are. Both shitty outcomes.

[earthboundmisfit]

[RageBeoulve]

Zegh. I get the feeling that you're not just afraid to die, but afraid because what happens after is completely unknown to you.

[renaeden]

I hope there is nothing afterwards. No heaven, no reincarnation, just nothing. Nothing at all.

[ZEGH8578]

Zegh. I get the feeling that you're not just afraid to die, but afraid because what happens after is completely unknown to you.

we only have one life, clinging to it is - if any - the meaning of life itself. thats why critters have long runny legs, claws, teeth, even humans with their religions and afterlife-ideas have guns and clubs and spears so to preserve themselves.

damn right i am afraid of death. ima kick it right in the nuts!

[RageBeoulve]

Zegh...

*sits down next to him, puts hand on shoulder* You're gonna die man.