Suicide

[Adam]

of course suicide is awful for those left behind, but no one shouldd be expected to live solely for other people

[Queen Victoria]

I think that death by cop or death by train is a despicable way to commit suicide.  The cop or train engineer lives with the horror forever.

im only being pragmatic. all suicides are despicable. what about the poor parents left behind, heavied down by guilt? friends and other family, wondering what they might have done or said, to change what happened.

you are all missing my point, despite me typing up my point at the end of every post, goddamnit
i am NOT advertising the use of trains for suicide OR suicide itself

Agreed. 

BTW, whatever happened to the quiet suicide of slitting your wrists and bleeding out in the bathtub?

[lutra]

Well, if I were seriously suicidal, which I'm not/haven't had a depression since 2007/yay, I would find me a gun and I think I.... would take a few assholes with me then. Some fuckers who, let's say, wronged me big time in the past.

Not advocating it and I'm NOT going to do it but.. ja.. hypothetically speaking.

(you thinking> that lutra dude always turns thing towards the more positive things.. ) 

['andersom']

Well, if I were seriously suicidal, which I'm not/haven't had a depression since 2007/yay, I would find me a gun and I think I.... would take a few assholes with me then. Some fuckers who, let's say, wronged me big time in the past.

Not advocating it and I'm NOT going to do it but.. ja.. hypothetically speaking.

(you thinking> that lutra dude always turns thing towards the more positive things.. ) 

* decides to read the paper more closely, when it is about weird stuff in the south *

[odeon]

There are people I'd like to know have offed themselves.

[lutra]

Well, if I were seriously suicidal, which I'm not/haven't had a depression since 2007/yay, I would find me a gun and I think I.... would take a few assholes with me then. Some fuckers who, let's say, wronged me big time in the past.

Not advocating it and I'm NOT going to do it but.. ja.. hypothetically speaking.

(you thinking> that lutra dude always turns things towards the more positive things.. ) 

I could tell, and seriously² dirty some Berregse laundries/ talking about weird stuff in the south/two faced BoZ folks/bone-marrowed catholics basically.

Like e.g. alderman/wethouder Ton Linssen who doesn't give a shit about the law and/or basic human rights. He basically ordered someone to break in someone's house and put a bug there to eavesdrop what's been said there.. 3(?) years ago.

No fucking kid ya.. someone found out and made it public here and.. tjah, he's still an alderman here. He's megalomaniac sick in the head and ja.. reigns Bergen op Zoom for the last 10 years.

It'ssss.. incredible this exists in Holland, really.

How honest a person are you Hykey, I'm wondering. How often do you read a (national) newspaper?

['andersom']

You've busted me Lutra.

I used to scrutinise at least one national newspaper in the morning. But, my attention span, and, my financial resources went out of the window.

Recently I got myself a "proef-abonnement" on a regional paper, that covers quite a bit of the national stuff. Attention span is still not what it used to be. When I am at my parents, I love to read the background articles in the paper they read.

I like to have a paper again. So, I can try and focus on the reports about the south west. 

[ZEGH8578]

I think that death by cop or death by train is a despicable way to commit suicide.  The cop or train engineer lives with the horror forever.

im only being pragmatic. all suicides are despicable. what about the poor parents left behind, heavied down by guilt? friends and other family, wondering what they might have done or said, to change what happened.

you are all missing my point, despite me typing up my point at the end of every post, goddamnit
i am NOT advertising the use of trains for suicide OR suicide itself

Agreed. 

BTW, whatever happened to the quiet suicide of slitting your wrists and bleeding out in the bathtub?

it requires more dedication than most people have, and will easily "blur" into the attempt, rather than the success.
i mean, there are many sure methods of offing oneself, besides the train. a bullet up through the palate (instead of into the temple) is a pretty sure method. a shotgun to pretty much anywhere on your body, even limbs, will kill you (provided you dont get rescued ). a friend of mine killed himself with a shotgun to the chest.

but thats it, he never "cried for help", his mission was to end it, and die. so... he got a shotgun, blasted himself to pieces, and died.

i dont know why people are SO... barred... inside themselves, they will play with life and death, only to catalyst some much needed communication. another friend of mine did the drama-attempt, there were pills and razor blades and booze in an unholy mix, waking his mother and sister, both of them running around screaming while he was staggering around bleeding all over the house.
but i do know his living conditions, and he is the "type" i guess, who would never "open up" to his closest family. at the time i was away for military, so i guess he was out of friends to open up to also, so, he went with the desperate option - the "suicide attempt" or "cry for help"

[Queen Victoria]

I met someone who tried to kill himself with a bullet through the head because he was depressed about his obesity years ago.  He had a last second change of heart and only succeeded in blowing off half of the lower half of his face.  Needless to say he is alive, but his life is difficult because of the damage and the fact that he is still overweight.

[ZEGH8578]

Well, if I were seriously suicidal, which I'm not/haven't had a depression since 2007/yay, I would find me a gun and I think I.... would take a few assholes with me then. Some fuckers who, let's say, wronged me big time in the past.

Not advocating it and I'm NOT going to do it but.. ja.. hypothetically speaking.

(you thinking> that lutra dude always turns thing towards the more positive things.. ) 

EEK :I

"the perpetrator was an avid poster in the autism-support forum Intensity Squared"

[ZEGH8578]

I met someone who tried to kill himself with a bullet through the head because he was depressed about his obesity years ago.  He had a last second change of heart and only succeeded in blowing off half of the lower half of his face.  Needless to say he is alive, but his life is difficult because of the damage and the fact that he is still overweight.

people lack a good understanding of what guns do.

the other day, reading about the upcoming breivik trial, a passage talked about peoples comprehension of these brutal murders (the vast majority of which were head-shot executions),
on avergae norwegian tv shows about 30 fictional murders per day.
compared to in the past, when humans would never witness deaths unless it was real, and right there in front of them, today we see movie-heroes killing bad-guys left and right, and we get very desensitized to it.

in movies guns are "off-switches", you shoot someone, they go "arkh!" and die on the spot.
in reality, a gun only throws an iron pellet at you, at a very high velocity. if it hits your torso, shock will make you fall to the ground, get "weak knees" and such, if it hits your head, it may go anywhere, it may shatter your jaws, it may crush bone but not penetrate the brain, or it may even destroy parts of your brain, but still allowing you to survive if you get help quickly.
its not an "off-switch", its merely a very brutal tool

when we see old black and white footage of executions, such as germans shooting jews, or that famous vietnamese colonel shooting the prisoner in the street, they fall down and appear as if instantly dead.
but if you imagine these arent executions, you'd imagine paramedics rushing to the spot, many of these people could potentially recover from their execution
what always "gets" me watching such footage, is the facial expression people make, before they pass out.

[P7PSP]

I met someone who tried to kill himself with a bullet through the head because he was depressed about his obesity years ago.  He had a last second change of heart and only succeeded in blowing off half of the lower half of his face.  Needless to say he is alive, but his life is difficult because of the damage and the fact that he is still overweight.

people lack a good understanding of what guns do.

the other day, reading about the upcoming breivik trial, a passage talked about peoples comprehension of these brutal murders (the vast majority of which were head-shot executions),
on avergae norwegian tv shows about 30 fictional murders per day.
compared to in the past, when humans would never witness deaths unless it was real, and right there in front of them, today we see movie-heroes killing bad-guys left and right, and we get very desensitized to it.

in movies guns are "off-switches", you shoot someone, they go "arkh!" and die on the spot.
in reality, a gun only throws an iron pellet at you, at a very high velocity. if it hits your torso, shock will make you fall to the ground, get "weak knees" and such, if it hits your head, it may go anywhere, it may shatter your jaws, it may crush bone but not penetrate the brain, or it may even destroy parts of your brain, but still allowing you to survive if you get help quickly.
its not an "off-switch", its merely a very brutal tool

when we see old black and white footage of executions, such as germans shooting jews, or that famous vietnamese colonel shooting the prisoner in the street, they fall down and appear as if instantly dead.
but if you imagine these arent executions, you'd imagine paramedics rushing to the spot, many of these people could potentially recover from their execution
what always "gets" me watching such footage, is the facial expression people make, before they pass out.

Lead or jacketed lead rather than iron. Gliding metal jacket is most often 97% copper and 3% zinc although other compositions are used. Steel jacketed rounds are not used as often anymore and are most often found in military surplus ammo. You are correct that pistol ammunition wounds are survived more often than not. Rifle rounds OTOH are much more destructive and likely to kill or maim.

[ZEGH8578]

Lead or jacketed lead rather than iron. Gliding metal jacket is most often 97% copper and 3% zinc although other compositions are used. Steel jacketed rounds are not used as often anymore and are most often found in military surplus ammo. You are correct that pistol ammunition wounds are survived more often than not. Rifle rounds OTOH are much more destructive and likely to kill or maim.

i know theyre mostly copper, i did think of it for a short moment, while typing out iron "ohhh, some aspie is gonna notice this one!"

and yes, theres a lot more difference between the destruction from your ordinary 9mm pistol, and a more heavily calibred rifle or shotgun, than what people realize.
which is why i added that you can survive a pistol round to the head, while just as easily die from a shotgun shot to a leg, simply because the latter cause a lot more destruction.

again, this illustrates that guns arent simply on-off switches, but its basically sortof like stabbing someone, only w a lot more force.
i thought the same thing when watching movies about medieval war: they shoot an arrow at someone, who gets hit in the chest, and as always - die on the spot. i just cannot figure out what would drop a person dead _on the spot_ by having a lung punctured or something. arrows kill, yes, but its gonna take a few minutes at least...
the important thing is that they (an enemy or prey) gets incapacitated

i remember they said about breiviks weapons and ammunition, that the combination made his weaponry near unsurviveable.
i actually have yet to find a real statistic of how many were actually hit by his bullets, for then to survive.

[El]

a shotgun to pretty much anywhere on your body, even limbs, will kill you (provided you dont get rescued ).

Have known for awhile, if I was going to do it, I'd want to use a shotgun.  In my field, you know what works and what doesn't, and if you know how unlikely it is to successfully complete, for example, a pill OD, that renders any "attempt" just a gesture, and, well, fuck that shit.  If I want attention I can sure as shit get it in a more constructive way than that.  Not to mention issues like long-term organ damage form poisoning oneself.  I've questioned whether or not I'd want to leave a note saying it was nobody's fault but frankly I doubt that would make much of a difference.  It's a selfish act, but I'd be doing it with the understanding that it was me choosing what was best for myself.  I would probably leave a note someplace asking that the specifics of how I died be kept from my grandparents.  I think they're the only family members it could be practically kept from, anyway; even if they didn't know, my parents would pretty easily infer.  It would fuck my father up a bit more than he already is, but he's already pretty far gone.  My mother would pretend to be devastated but would actually be delighted by all the attention and pity it would garner her.  I've considered specifying in my will that be be barred from attending any type of wake or funeral, but I wouldn't do that while my grandparents are still alive; not worth hurting them for my own spite and anger.

[ZEGH8578]

a shotgun to pretty much anywhere on your body, even limbs, will kill you (provided you dont get rescued ).

Have known for awhile, if I was going to do it, I'd want to use a shotgun.  In my field, you know what works and what doesn't, and if you know how unlikely it is to successfully complete, for example, a pill OD, that renders any "attempt" just a gesture, and, well, fuck that shit.  If I want attention I can sure as shit get it in a more constructive way than that.  Not to mention issues like long-term organ damage form poisoning oneself.  I've questioned whether or not I'd want to leave a note saying it was nobody's fault but frankly I doubt that would make much of a difference.  It's a selfish act, but I'd be doing it with the understanding that it was me choosing what was best for myself.  I would probably leave a note someplace asking that the specifics of how I died be kept from my grandparents.  I think they're the only family members it could be practically kept from, anyway; even if they didn't know, my parents would pretty easily infer.  It would fuck my father up a bit more than he already is, but he's already pretty far gone.  My mother would pretend to be devastated but would actually be delighted by all the attention and pity it would garner her.  I've considered specifying in my will that be be barred from attending any type of wake or funeral, but I wouldn't do that while my grandparents are still alive; not worth hurting them for my own spite and anger.

eek

but yeah, if attention be the objective, theres a lot better ways to do this than to carve open your arms or get yourself kidney or liver-damage due to a pill overdose