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Re: Suicide
« Reply #180 on: March 10, 2012, 03:16:08 PM »
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but yeah, if attention be the objective, theres a lot better ways to do this than to carve open your arms or get yourself kidney or liver-damage due to a pill overdose
Lol, sorry if the post seemed more depressed than it was meant to.  I just feel really strongly that using suicide as emotional blackmail is bullshit.  I think in general suicide is a selfish and often weak action, but it's also one of the most serious personal decisions a person can make, and in some cases, I do think it's (arguably) a valid decision.  I don't think that usual threats or gestures as social currency is generally defensible, though.

Seen too many people do it.  Pisses me right the hell off.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #181 on: March 10, 2012, 08:21:45 PM »
Is seeking any attention, and possibly help, a bad thing? When simply 'asking' for help falls on deaf ears, what can someone do when they're in so much pain?
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #182 on: March 10, 2012, 08:50:07 PM »
Is seeking any attention, and possibly help, a bad thing? When simply 'asking' for help falls on deaf ears, what can someone do when they're in so much pain?

theres is a big leap from _asking for help_ and trying to end your life.

theres a whole raaange of things one can do, to draw attention to yourself, if you arent heard.
be naked in public. thats one sure way of gathering attention.
make a scene.
be loud and obnoxious
steal stuff
beat someone up

you know...

its very all-or-nothing with a lot of people, it reminds me a comic book strip, where someone wanted the salt to be passed him, and he cried out "Give me salt or give me death!!!"

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #183 on: March 10, 2012, 09:02:19 PM »
I'll try another thread here.

What do you think about suicide?  Do you like it, or just plain love it?  Have you ever killed yourself before?  If you haven't, how are you planning to?

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Yes I did. I swallowed 50+ dextrmethorphan tablets and drank a bottle of vodka. Lived through it somehow, or came back to life or something.

Why? you wanna die? ???
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #184 on: March 10, 2012, 09:30:06 PM »
Is seeking any attention, and possibly help, a bad thing? When simply 'asking' for help falls on deaf ears, what can someone do when they're in so much pain?

theres is a big leap from _asking for help_ and trying to end your life.

For those of sound judgement yes it is a big leap, but those whose judgement is impaired, or for whom there is too much pain, for those whose depression is such that merely asking for help is too painful, non-lethal attempts at suicide are often the only seemingly viable course of action.

I can say when I've done that I'm not thinking to myself "Now they'll listen.", nor did I really think that I wanted to die. It's a pain vs coping mechanisms equation.

its very all-or-nothing with a lot of people

Indeed, often a symptom of people's mental health issues. For example, those with Borderline Personality Disorder (a condition that sees A LOT of "cries for attention" type suicidal gestures), black and white thinking pervades their judgement. So for them it literally can be all or nothing.


/not an expert, just personally familiar
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #185 on: March 10, 2012, 09:33:10 PM »
Dude i'm all black and white. You calling me crazy? I'm gonna kill you GA. >:(
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #186 on: March 10, 2012, 09:36:55 PM »
Dude i'm all black and white. You calling me crazy? I'm gonna kill you GA. >:(

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying  :facepalm2:
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #187 on: March 10, 2012, 09:37:49 PM »
Dude i'm all black and white. You calling me crazy? I'm gonna kill you GA. >:(

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying  :facepalm2:

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #188 on: March 10, 2012, 09:41:25 PM »
Indeed
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #189 on: March 11, 2012, 12:21:08 AM »
brings my mind to hitler
"ich bin sorry, kleine adolf, but deine paintings just arent all that gut!"
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #190 on: March 11, 2012, 08:02:43 AM »
I think suicide may be selfish, but a lot of the things mentally ill people do are selfish, but can they be held responsible for that.

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Re: Suicide
« Reply #191 on: March 11, 2012, 08:20:11 AM »
What is selfish in the case of ill?
Illnesses make people do things, physically or mentally that they would not do otherwise.

Extreme diarrhea is a very obvious example of that. Very horrible for bystanders too, but, still can't call it selfish.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #192 on: March 11, 2012, 08:44:54 AM »
I don't think suicide is selfish.  It's hardly altruistic either.

It's about as many shades of grey i can think of.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #193 on: March 11, 2012, 08:52:45 AM »
I don't think suicide is selfish.  It's hardly altruistic either.

It's about as many shades of grey i can think of.

True that.

The hardest I find it when people talk about their planned suicide as something altruistic, good for those left behind. I really cannot cope with that.
How it will be for people left behind is not in the power of the dead. The grief and loss of the ones left behind is theirs. No one can rule over the grave.
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Re: Suicide
« Reply #194 on: March 11, 2012, 09:23:38 AM »
That is true.  Also the reaction of loved (or unloved) ones can never be predicted.  Death can make people behave totally out of character.
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