Taking all bets on Iran...

[ProfessorFarnsworth]

Funny thing about Ahmadinejad though, he's just a subordinate to the Supreme Leader of Iran. So if anyone gives the order for war, it'll be the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Had to confirm that by checking wikipedia and fair enough:

The Supreme Leader is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war or peace.

So yeah, Ali Khamenei is the guy you really want to get to know. The western media seems to neglect mentioning this fact and loves to demonize Ahmadinejad, even though he's not really the guy in full control. Technically Ahmadinejad can only suggest to the Ayatollah the idea of war, and if he approves, then it'll happen.

[ProfessorFarnsworth]

By the way, I'm hardly saying Ahmadinejad is a saint though. Just pointing out that while he can bark viciously, he's still on a leash.

[ZEGH8578]

calavera, america is not crazy enough to unleash nuclear weapons?

dude, investigate world history and politics, then return to debate, wow...

1. crazy enough? theyre invading countries as a hobby. each invasion is deemed illegal, or at best illogical by most world communities.
2. they allready nuked a nation. actually, they ARE the ONLY country to nuke a nation
3. ^they planned to keep nuking them, with ca one nuke a week, untill they surrendered. thats not crazy enough?

im not even gonna entertain your generalistic islamophobic rants with a response. ive allready read the "EDF" agendas, its boring and unimaginative. same shit as always, only with "jews" replaced with "muslims" this time, or in breiviks case, "niggers" was edited out, replaced with "muslims", OH THE IRONY.

yeah, you would categorize politics according to who's a "ron paul fan" and who isnt. way to recognize the complexities in reality.

[Calavera]

Funny thing about Ahmadinejad though, he's just a subordinate to the Supreme Leader of Iran. So if anyone gives the order for war, it'll be the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Had to confirm that by checking wikipedia and fair enough:

The Supreme Leader is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, controls the military intelligence and security operations; and has sole power to declare war or peace.

So yeah, Ali Khamenei is the guy you really want to get to know. The western media seems to neglect mentioning this fact and loves to demonize Ahmadinejad, even though he's not really the guy in full control. Technically Ahmadinejad can only suggest to the Ayatollah the idea of war, and if he approves, then it'll happen.

Point still stands, I guess.

[Calavera]

calavera, america is not crazy enough to unleash nuclear weapons?

If I'm wrong, try to convince me.

1. crazy enough? theyre invading countries as a hobby. each invasion is deemed illegal, or at best illogical by most world communities.

That's not evidence they're crazy enough to unleash nuclear weapons, isn't it? And it's your extremely biased selective perception that makes you think that this is all a hobby to them. For every war, there's a reason. And for every invasion, the same. Regardless of whether or not you agree with it.

2. they allready nuked a nation. actually, they ARE the ONLY country to nuke a nation

3. ^they planned to keep nuking them, with ca one nuke a week, untill they surrendered. thats not crazy enough?

That's assuming Japan was innocent in this. Japan wasn't innocent. There was the Pearl Harbor event. And America was crazy enough to take revenge.

But tell me ... are you a mutant as a result of that event?

Do you think America didn't examine the consequences first before doing anything of the sort?

And do you think America hasn't changed much since the events of World War II?

We are talking about now ... not then. So stick to the present.

im not even gonna entertain your generalistic islamophobic rants with a response. ive allready read the "EDF" agendas, its boring and unimaginative. same shit as always, only with "jews" replaced with "muslims" this time, or in breiviks case, "niggers" was edited out, replaced with "muslims", OH THE IRONY.

So you don't think a lot of traditional Muslims hate Amreeka and Israel and want them exterminated by Allah's mercy and grace?

Have Muslim relatives?

If you don't, then don't tell me what Muslims generally feel.

If you don't want me to say "Muslims are also mostly violent" then don't say "Islamophobes" are mostly violent. Because it's not the "Islamophobes" who keep bombing and burning down holy places in the name of "peace" and "equality".

yeah, you would categorize politics according to who's a "ron paul fan" and who isnt. way to recognize the complexities in reality.

If you say "fuck you, Ron Paul", I'll accept you're not his fan.

[Calavera]

By the way, I'm hardly saying Ahmadinejad is a saint though. Just pointing out that while he can bark viciously, he's still on a leash.

Sure, but that's the thing. Only one man is holding that leash. The President of the USA has more than one leash held about him (from various sides).

[ZEGH8578]

man, calavera, your a bigger retard than i ever guessed.

i had to wiki ron paul when you mentioned him, to check what he was all about.
that proof enough im not a "fan"?

and, who the fuck are you? you think only muslims hate america? have you been on earth?

and "stick to the present"? what does that have to do with anything? define present. ww2 isnt in some gone-by age, and i didnt say america's gonna nuke places NOW THIS VERY SECOND.

am i a mutant? no. oh phew, thats it then? all wars, all atrocities are okay, as long as they dont affect you directly? that explains it.

your argument that nuking a nation because they attack a naval base is legitimate is: retarded.
your assumption that americas wars in afghanistan and iraq being legitimate "just cus" is: retarded.
your generic assumption that america has improved since ww2 is: retarded.
your argument that you must be related to a culture to know about them iiis... guess what: retarded.
your assumption that only muslims bomb and kill people iiiiiiiiis: retaaarded...

i eagerly await your next shower of retardation.

[Calavera]

Yep, stick to ad hominem and strawman and hiding certain facts. The only way you can get this argument going from your side.

I'll remind you that you actually denied Al Qaeda ever existed. And worse ... that Osama bin Laden himself never existed as a person. Who's really the fucking retard here?

Go on, keep coming up with these wild fringe retarded theories while you're high on the hashish.

[ZEGH8578]

Yep, stick to ad hominem and strawman and hiding certain facts. The only way you can get this argument going from your side.

I'll remind you that you actually denied Al Qaeda ever existed. And worse ... that Osama bin Laden himself never existed as a person. Who's really the fucking retard here?

Go on, keep coming up with these wild fringe retarded theories while you're high on the hashish.

i never claimed osama bin laden not to exist...
as for al qaeda, i still maintain that it is comparable to "ALF", in that it exists cus perpetrators give themselves the designation.
an original of the organization does exist, but from there on, it consists of independent groups calling themselves "al qaeda", and being welcomed to do so.
it even explains how it can operate so globally, with no centralized leadership.

if you actually understand what i say, it makes sense.
but thats fine. relish in your "media friendly" versions, they seem to suit you perfectly, oh and LOOK OUT! MUSLIMS ARE COMING TO GET YOU! :'D

[Calavera]

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,17365.msg758647.html#msg758647

I take it then the way you worded your post in there was retarded.

if you actually understand what i say, it makes sense.

I understand it, but it doesn't make sense. Retarded posts don't make sense anyway. To you, America (along with tis allies) is the greater evil of all. And most of your retarded political arguments are based on that idea, lol.

but thats fine. relish in your "media friendly" versions, they seem to suit you perfectly, oh and LOOK OUT! MUSLIMS ARE COMING TO GET YOU! :'D

If they ever do get their way, you better watch out as well.

This is what a typical traditional Muslim is thinking:



He wants Islam to rule the whole world eventually and he expects it to happen. In the meantime, he wants all the non-Muslims out of "the lands of Muhammad". And ... he's not the only one who thinks that way.

[ZEGH8578]

http://www.intensitysquared.com/index.php/topic,17365.msg758647.html#msg758647

I take it then the way you worded your post in there was retarded.

you _actually_ missed the part where i immediately go "well, there is" and then explained what i meant by "there is no"?
you _actually_ missed that, to such a degree, you had to throw at me that ive claimed osama bin laden never existed?
impressive.

[Calavera]

What's really "impressive" is that you didn't want to refer to what you said right before that bit.

i know it sounds stupid, but i CANT help but think:
1. they never fucking found the guy, we all knew, and they couldnt find him
2. now hes dead and gone, so theyre not looking for him anymore
3. while they looked for him, he was vital for the cause
4. now that theyve killed him, hes irrelevant to the cause
5. they wont show us proof, cus the images are "too gory"

What is it you don't believe here? That Osama wasn't responsible in any way for the 9/11 attacks? That he was long dead before they killed him?

What exactly do you mean by the above? Explain to me what's going on in that mind of yours.

[ZEGH8578]

What's really "impressive" is that you didn't want to refer to what you said right before that bit.

i know it sounds stupid, but i CANT help but think:
1. they never fucking found the guy, we all knew, and they couldnt find him
2. now hes dead and gone, so theyre not looking for him anymore
3. while they looked for him, he was vital for the cause
4. now that theyve killed him, hes irrelevant to the cause
5. they wont show us proof, cus the images are "too gory"

What is it you don't believe here? That Osama wasn't responsible in any way for the 9/11 attacks? That he was long dead before they killed him?

What exactly do you mean by the above? Explain to me what's going on in that mind of yours.

this: that the entire afghan war keeps osama bin laden as the main focus. that each sub-campaign uses osama bin laden as the main focus. but that in reality, osama bin laden is not the main focus. he is a poster bad guy for the war effort.
there.
did you understand it a bit better this time?

[Calavera]

So do you believe he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

Yes or no?

[ZEGH8578]

So do you believe he was responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

Yes or no?

yes, he was in on it.

you seem very tense.