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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2011, 08:48:28 PM »
What kind of bells?

Jingle bells, jingle bells, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun we had tonight on a one-horse open sleigh.

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2011, 08:56:24 PM »
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2011, 08:59:44 PM »
What kind of bells?

Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, the Batmobile lost its wheel and the Joker got away HEY!!!

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2011, 09:02:04 PM »
Always wondered how Robin laid eggs.

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2011, 09:13:10 PM »
I am and I also can understand her words better than most people can because she has some trouble speaking clearly enough so that all people can understand her.  Because of this, I'm with her at school now too.  She's doing a lot better than she was without me there, but she can still be aggressive there at times even with me there with her.

You want to go there? Ok, let's go there.

Is she doing better by her definition or by yours?

Both by my and her definitions and also by the objective data her teachers are keeping.  She says that it's the best school she has ever attended while she was not saying that before.  Before, she would always say that the school she attended in third grade (right after the special education teacher at her neighborhood school abused her in second grade) was the best one she ever attended.

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2011, 09:18:13 PM »
:agreed:

In many ways she reminds me of my daughter.  They are both very bright and have amazing imaginations.
It has been said (and it is in the DSM IV) that autistics lack imagination. I wonder why this has been the case when clearly many autistics have a great imagination. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I am one of those that lacks imagination.
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2011, 09:21:38 PM »
:agreed:

In many ways she reminds me of my daughter.  They are both very bright and have amazing imaginations.
It has been said (and it is in the DSM IV) that autistics lack imagination. I wonder why this has been the case when clearly many autistics have a great imagination. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I am one of those that lacks imagination.

I don't know why this is, but my imagination is not really that good either.

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2011, 10:17:21 PM »
I am and I also can understand her words better than most people can because she has some trouble speaking clearly enough so that all people can understand her.  Because of this, I'm with her at school now too.  She's doing a lot better than she was without me there, but she can still be aggressive there at times even with me there with her.

You want to go there? Ok, let's go there.

Is she doing better by her definition or by yours?

Both by my and her definitions and also by the objective data her teachers are keeping.  She says that it's the best school she has ever attended while she was not saying that before.  Before, she would always say that the school she attended in third grade (right after the special education teacher at her neighborhood school abused her in second grade) was the best one she ever attended.

It sounds like your daughter has been through a lot. I could understand why she'd want you to come to school with her. This thread kind of got hijacked, but can I still ask questions? Is she in a mainstream class? Does she think that school is better because you're there? It makes me wonder if the occasional aggression isn't intermittent reinforcement for you to keep going with her, especially if you are communicating with the teachers for her.
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 10:24:05 PM »
:agreed:

In many ways she reminds me of my daughter.  They are both very bright and have amazing imaginations.
It has been said (and it is in the DSM IV) that autistics lack imagination. I wonder why this has been the case when clearly many autistics have a great imagination. Do you have any thoughts on this?

I am one of those that lacks imagination.

I don't know why this is, but my imagination is not really that good either.
My imagination is good (I think), but I suspect that the imagination NTs say we are lacking comes from our ability to be coldly logical in the face of "creative" social manipulation. Maybe it comes from knowing that the other person is pretending the dolly is real and wondering why they would try to convince other people of that.
Just guessing at this point. I am getting lost with all the different things happening in this thread. The indirect stuff often goes right over my head.
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 10:29:28 PM »
My imagination is good, too. What I lack is this thing they call "common sense".

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2011, 10:42:59 PM »
My imagination is good, too. What I lack is this thing they call "common sense".

 HEY!  Both those statements are true of me too!  :oranna:
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2011, 10:45:14 PM »
Yes, I see imagination is linked to pretend play. My mum noticed I never did it when young. I still can't do it. I am guessing imagination is also linked to predicting future events. Like I ask my mum every night what is happening the next day, I like to be sure about things and I don't like surprises. She does get irritated by my constant questions but most of the time she humours me. I was far worse with this when I was younger. Being given the answer and asking the same thing half an hour later just to be sure the answer hadn't changed.

I lack imagination in all areas, not just the social realm. And I know people define common sense in all kinds of ways so I can't say whether I have a good amount of it or not.
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2011, 10:52:38 PM »
I am and I also can understand her words better than most people can because she has some trouble speaking clearly enough so that all people can understand her.  Because of this, I'm with her at school now too.  She's doing a lot better than she was without me there, but she can still be aggressive there at times even with me there with her.

You want to go there? Ok, let's go there.

Is she doing better by her definition or by yours?

Both by my and her definitions and also by the objective data her teachers are keeping.  She says that it's the best school she has ever attended while she was not saying that before.  Before, she would always say that the school she attended in third grade (right after the special education teacher at her neighborhood school abused her in second grade) was the best one she ever attended.

It sounds like your daughter has been through a lot. I could understand why she'd want you to come to school with her. This thread kind of got hijacked, but can I still ask questions? Is she in a mainstream class? Does she think that school is better because you're there? It makes me wonder if the occasional aggression isn't intermittent reinforcement for you to keep going with her, especially if you are communicating with the teachers for her.

Sorry about the hijack.

No, she is in a large classroom without any other children and with three other teachers besides me, but not all the teachers work with her at the same time.  She often eats lunch in the cafeteria with many other students, but she sits at her own table with just me and one or two other teachers.

I am the one who usually gets her to do more challenging work at school and I believe that it's because she feels safer at school with me there.  She can be very afraid of making a mistake, but I'm pretty good at bridging the gap if there is one and she can always ask me for help. 

I think that there are many reasons for the physical aggression, but probably one of the reasons for a lot of it is feeling insecure or unsafe in a situation.  She told me that she thinks that her teachers wouldn't do anything to harm her with me there.  I think that's sad because she really had a teacher who did harm her when she was in the second grade.  However I don't think that any of her current teachers would deliberately harm her whether or not I was there.  I think that she needs to build up more positive experiences with them so she can begin to trust them on her own terms.

She really doesn't need to act out to keep me there.  I will be there for the foreseeable future  and at least for the rest of this school year.

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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2011, 11:18:24 PM »
Maybe another tangent but it has me curious...

Wondering whether your daughter has friends her own age? Or interacts with other kids (although at 15, she is not really a kid any more).
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Re: She's not so bad
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2011, 11:27:23 PM »
Maybe another tangent but it has me curious...

Wondering whether your daughter has friends her own age? Or interacts with other kids (although at 15, she is not really a kid any more).

She liked a boy she used to ride the bus with and he also liked her, but he has moved away. 

The other teachers and I took her to a self-contained classroom for autistic children who are around her age just before Thanksgiving so she could eat lunch with them, but she was stressed and the behavior specialist thought that she needed to learn more social skills before going back to interact more with them so it will be a more positive experience for her.

There was a girl in that classroom who came and sat at the table with my daughter and they ate and talked to one another.  It was fun to see.