I kept out of this discussion mostly, for various reasons.
Think this discussion needs to be broader than just the TCO thing, if it needs to be discussed wider.
To find topics to include, one could search the posts of EBM. He is a very good observer, and he acts on it. He has made posts with the gist of "Not Cool" more than once. That would be a good way to find things to broaden this discussion.
And why do you feel this discussion needs to be broadened?
I think it needs to be broadened, because, this seems to lead nowhere.
15 pages about if Butterflies is a good person? And the same question in plenty of threads more? You are almost discussed as much as TCO was.
(Creepy parallel is that he was pretty good in the using of the
but argumentation btw, that's partly why meltdowns kept going on with him I guess)
If this discussion is about what the site should be about, then I'd like more examples, and more cases to think on. And then Squiddy is right in bringing TM into the discussion.
I think this place is about learning and fun. (UGH, now it sounds like an advertising for a new schoolprogram to do math or so, don't mean that, better words fail me
).
Think most of us here do have things to learn, and, very different things too. And the way we learn can be quite confrontational. I think what is part of the discussion here is how far are we "allowed" to go, to get our fun, and our confrontation. And, if it is about that, then this discussion needs to be a lot wider than focussing around Pandora.
You did learn something, you said you would do one thing different in hindsight. Maybe you'll get the "but" thing too one day.
Don't worry when you don't get it yet, that's the beauty of this place, things you don't get will be right in your face another time.
Think it is time to move on beyond the discussion about Butterflies, to the discussion about the site. If we don't, this thread may go on till kingdom come, or December 21 2012, without leading anywhere.