So what preator and TM were doing made their lesson more deserved, but maybe not so much with people like steve, parakeet, and eris? Don't know the whole story with praetor, but hubert didn't 'get' anything but rather used the information he already has, and he admits to having a lot. All of the cases are similar but different. Praetor didn't do anything here, but was chased from this site, so my question for odeon still stands.