Eris Calls out Everyone

[renaeden]

^Stuff is all over the place. I don't know much about the history of TM and AFF. But he has been at WP for a few months and has been writing some stuff for Autism Speaks and gotten a lot of flak for that because some people absolutely hate Autism Speaks.

TM posted yesterday that he intends to take a break from the politics that are happening about this. He seems to be ok but still stressed out. He lives with his parents and brother (I think) so he has some support in rl. I think the break will do him good anyway.

As for his real name, that is in his signature on WP as part of a Facebook link.

[odeon]

...Callaway has it.

I think that people who have had to actually deal with suicide threats before may have a different perspective than people who haven't.

I agree. I've had almost this exact argument on AFF before, when certain members disagreed with our policy of "call the fucking cops". Until you've had that responsibility and that much consequence hanging over you, I don't think you can understand.

It's like the mental separation I find myself having to make between Moderator Pikajedi and Forum User Pikajedi; until you've moderated, most people will not understand the need for it, nor how rat bastard HARD it is.

Agreed.

I'd also like to point out that even if you are a mod or an admin or whatever, and you have access to the IP numbers, tracking down a real person is hard. There are proxies, both the kind that is used to anonymise your presence online and those that ISPs can use that group users, and there is the fact that you very often d not know the person's real name.

Yet you feel responsible and know you need to act. You need to do something.

[odeon]

and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.

It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.

I pm'ed eris to ask her to reconsider leaving. I did so because I like her, but OTOH I would rather she leave than say she is doing so and not follow through. Have a good life eris, I like you. 

I like her too.

What I don't get about her decision is this: on any board you are bound to encounter people whose values you don't share, who you think are acting like cunts and who have the morals of <insert favourite comparison here>. You will never like those people, no matter what you do.

But should you really put an equal sign between those individuals and the whole board? I think that's more than a bit unfair.

[bodie]

I totally agree with that.  I think that is the best way to act.  However,  i also think after doing the right thing the next right thing would be to just suspend any quarrels you have until you are sure the person is mentally fit to continue.   Maybe it is a false alarm.  Maybe not.  Only people who really know are the person in question and the medical staff. 

[odeon]

I totally agree with that.  I think that is the best way to act.  However,  i also think after doing the right thing the next right thing would be to just suspend any quarrels you have until you are sure the person is mentally fit to continue.   Maybe it is a false alarm.  Maybe not.  Only people who really know are the person in question and the medical staff.

That can happen on a moderated board. Here, it's more difficult.

[Psychophant]

Actually, my primary complaint is with Skyblue, but I think you are acting petty and should be more professional since that is your role. I am sure it is not AFF's policy to run to I2 and complain about stuff.

I gave my professional opinion and defended it; For what it's worth, I've yet to see anybody with actual experience in these situations disagree with it.

Petty in what regard?

I may be an admin of AFF, but that does not mean I have to always wear my modhat, and I would argue that expecting me to do so is, to use your own words, petty. If I say something at AFF, it's official, carries weight and is often considered policy. If I say something here, it's just another voice in the madness.

Psychophant, I'd also like to hear what you have to say.

*edit*

We appear to have some guests spectating.

My psychospoiledbratbitch-ex-girlfriend did it to me and we got to her house, cops, ambulance her parents, the works.....what did we find,......a drunken, LAUGHING cunt who was howling with laughter at her "clever" manipulation.  She called me first, I called the the cops and the ambulance crew (I was off duty, but am back on duty since my injury--with restrictions), then her parents.   Well, when the facts became known.....I was furious, she was always good at manipulating others and had pulled this before with her parents.   This was the first time it was done with full public knowledge.  Mommy and Daddy always covered for her.  Now her parents were there with us and humiliated before all the town.  Now I had told my girlfriend (the cop) about her past and what she had done to me and others.   After this I felt no more compunctions about revealing her past behaviors to the cops and her parents.   She put lives at risk for her ego and need of attention.  I'm still furious and am seeing red as I write this.  So I'll stop here and step out.  Before I say any more.   

Ok, I've calmed down to the point that I can say this.  Suicide threats should always be taken seriously and I believe Pikajedi has done so and did the right thing.  BUT, as my psycho cunt ex-girlfriend found out, fake suicide threats deserve no mercy.  She got hauled off to jail and the psych eval ward after.  Her parents are now so furious at the public humiliation and the revelations of this past behavior that they have nearly cut her off any further assistance.  Her "friends" who ostracized me for leaving her are now eating crow.   In short she is getting what she deserves.   And that is what people who use suicide threats for manipulation should get....humiliated.  The thing is, she (my ex) may do it again, she's that stupid and sick.  And what may happen is that when somebody else makes a suicide threat that IS for real, they may NOT be taken seriously.  Remember the story of the boy who cried..."WOLF". 

Thanks.  I was just about to ask you what happened when the emergency responders arrived and found her treating the whole situation like it was a big joke.

I was hoping that at least she wound up getting evaluated anyway in case she really was serious and was just pretending that she had been "joking".

It's shocking that she had done this repeatedly in the past.

To clarify, in the past she would make these threats to her parents and me and we would rush to her side without calling anyone.   She would have the pills and everything set up like she was just about to do it.  This happened with me once, she's done it with her parents several times, but, they always did things hush hush.  And, she did it to me before I became an emt.   She wasn't expecting the whole crew to show up this time.  But, she called me first, that was her mistake, I called my crew/911, and then called her parents.  I had a long talk with her parents later, mom was a bit mad AT me for doing what I was trained to do, for dad this was the last straw.   Mom eventually calmed down especially when public opinion gave mom a lot of sympathy.  (Mom's a little bit loony as well.)  Ex-girlfriend didn't laugh very long when they trundled her into the ambulance and rushed her to the ER.  After getting checked, they bounced her to jail where she was given a choice (after sobering up) jail or psych evaluation and rehab.  She chose psych care. 

[Psychophant]

and when i say im done here, I mean I'm done posting here.

It's only a matter of time till someone would do this same thing to me, so, gonna split.

I pm'ed eris to ask her to reconsider leaving. I did so because I like her, but OTOH I would rather she leave than say she is doing so and not follow through. Have a good life eris, I like you. 

I do to.   

['andersom']

I try to understand all kinds of sides of the argument here.
I can see where Eris is coming from,
I can see where the remarks about other nasty stuff on here come from. Pandora is a good example here.
I can see where Pika is coming from.

The only thing I can't understand or get, no matter how hard I try, is what Skyblue's issue is. Why so vehement?

Why the need to get someone arrested? Why the need to post a pm like that on another board?

Yet, Skyblue seems to be gone from this whole call-out.

[odeon]

I hope eris will reconsider.

[Psychophant]

 

[Squidusa]

She won't.

['andersom']

Indeed

[odeon]

No, I very much doubt she will.

I respect her decision, though. If she doesn't feel comfortable participating here, for whatever reason, she shouldn't.

[ZEGH8578]

she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.

if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.

i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with 

[odeon]

she told me someone pm'ed her a threat concerning her job.

if so, then whatever nerd-rage is going on is absolutely sickening.

i have no job. i wonder what i would be threatened with 

Seriously? WTF? That's just fucking cowardly and wrong, and enough reason to sinbin the idiot.