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Pre-crime
« on: October 13, 2011, 06:27:53 AM »
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An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public voluntarily, CNET has learned.

If this sounds a bit like the Tom Cruise movie called "Minority Report," or the CBS drama "Person of Interest," it is. But where "Minority Report" author Philip K. Dick enlisted psychics to predict crimes, DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."
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This is so very disturbing just how far does the  Department of Homeland Security have to go before they are abolished they must be getting pretty fucking close.  I have a feeling I or anyone else uneasy in a crowd would set this off as I already get followed by security many places for basically being nervous in crowds. What will a positive hit on this system get you?  Ushered in to a small room and grouped by the TSA?  detained and kept from your business? followed?  put on a list? WHAT???  There still is a Constitution no matter how much they have beaten it down I don't see intentions of mal-intent as something that they could legally do anything about.


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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2011, 06:29:59 AM »
Quote from: parts on October 13, 2011, 06:27:53 AM
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An internal U.S. Department of Homeland Security document indicates that a controversial program designed to predict whether a person will commit a crime is already being tested on some members of the public voluntarily, CNET has learned.

If this sounds a bit like the Tom Cruise movie called "Minority Report," or the CBS drama "Person of Interest," it is. But where "Minority Report" author Philip K. Dick enlisted psychics to predict crimes, DHS is betting on algorithms: it's building a "prototype screening facility" that it hopes will use factors such as ethnicity, gender, breathing, and heart rate to "detect cues indicative of mal-intent."
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This is so very disturbing just how far does the  Department of Homeland Security have to go before they are abolished they must be getting pretty fucking close.  I have a feeling I or anyone else uneasy in a crowd would set this off as I already get followed by security many places for basically being nervous in crowds. What will a positive hit on this system get you?  Ushered in to a small room and grouped by the TSA?  detained and kept from your business? followed?  put on a list? WHAT???  There still is a Constitution no matter how much they have beaten it down I don't see intentions of mal-intent as something that they could legally do anything about.

Agreed. They overstep their bounds
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2011, 06:44:54 AM »
This is really open to serious abuse. But how can someone claim they know you're going to commit a crime and arrest you pre-emptively without any shred of evidence or probable cause at least? I can see this being a epic legal battle should someone be nabbed by this system.
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2011, 06:47:00 AM »
We all know what will happen. People are going to protest against it, and the project cancelled.

Wouldn't worry too much.
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2011, 06:55:24 AM »
Quote from: Calavera on October 13, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
We all know what will happen. People are going to protest against it, and the project cancelled.

Wouldn't worry too much.

I think the idea of dealing with the lawyers and the legal implications of this would be a large enough deterrent as it is. The defence would have a field day mocking this. :laugh:
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2011, 07:49:37 AM »
Quote from: Calavera on October 13, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
We all know what will happen. People are going to protest against it, and the project cancelled.

Wouldn't worry too much.

Like them feeling people up at airports,  oh wait they are still doing that aren't they.  People will oppose it and they will be called trouble makers, kooks, and criminals.  Why if you have nothing to hide why worry will be the response from DHS. 
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2011, 07:53:16 AM »
It's definitely very disturbing.
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2011, 07:59:23 AM »
yes very disturbing.

I dont see how anything like this could lead to arrest or be proven in court, but could be enough to prove probable cause. Which scares me. I think I am always on the verge of wanting to commit a crime :D
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2011, 08:02:22 AM »
This is scary.

I can just imagine being branded as a potential female unabomber. :zombiefuck:
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 08:11:21 AM »
Quote from: Icequeen on October 13, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
This is scary.

I can just imagine being branded as a potential female unabomber. :zombiefuck:

I really worry about this stuff all the time.  As I said I get followed by security all the time I believe it's because I look nervous and my tendency to  look at things most people don't.  I have an obsession with structures and how they are built and run.  I like to figure out just how everything is made and supported which is interpreted as very suspicions
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 08:20:55 AM »
Quote from: parts on October 13, 2011, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: Calavera on October 13, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
We all know what will happen. People are going to protest against it, and the project cancelled.

Wouldn't worry too much.

Like them feeling people up at airports,  oh wait they are still doing that aren't they.  People will oppose it and they will be called trouble makers, kooks, and criminals.  Why if you have nothing to hide why worry will be the response from DHS.

I still think it'll be cancelled soon.

Feeling people up at airports is somewhat more justifiable (although there should be automated sensors for that now).
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2011, 08:23:03 AM »
Had to go to the courthouse a couple weeks back, even after they ran me through the scanner I noticed they kept watching me like I was carrying explosives or something.


Probably because I look around so much.

Took them awhile to scan my purse, I must have at least 5 lbs of change in the bottom of it.
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2011, 08:31:26 AM »
Quote from: Calavera on October 13, 2011, 08:20:55 AM
Quote from: parts on October 13, 2011, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: Calavera on October 13, 2011, 06:47:00 AM
We all know what will happen. People are going to protest against it, and the project cancelled.

Wouldn't worry too much.

Like them feeling people up at airports,  oh wait they are still doing that aren't they.  People will oppose it and they will be called trouble makers, kooks, and criminals.  Why if you have nothing to hide why worry will be the response from DHS.

I still think it'll be cancelled soon.

Feeling people up at airports is somewhat more justifiable (although there should be automated sensors for that now).

None of it is justified,  it's all just a show to make us think they are doing something. 

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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 08:33:38 AM »
Quote from: Icequeen on October 13, 2011, 08:23:03 AM
Had to go to the courthouse a couple weeks back, even after they ran me through the scanner I noticed they kept watching me like I was carrying explosives or something.


Probably because I look around so much.

Took them awhile to scan my purse, I must have at least 5 lbs of change in the bottom of it.

They hate me I always set the scanners off. 
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Re: Pre-crime
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 08:39:37 AM »
Must be the body language. I was stopped by the police on two different occasions on the streets for no real reason. But then again I did look shifty with the clothes I was wearing at both times.
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