"Art is always subservient to Power"

[Squidusa]

Also, I guess to fully argue this, one would have to define the concept of art, which I'm not sure is possible.

Art and power are both abstract nouns. There's no right answer.

Bint said that not me just so you know. 

[Binty]

Also, I guess to fully argue this, one would have to define the concept of art, which I'm not sure is possible.

Art and power are both abstract nouns. There's no right answer.

I said it, not Squiddy!

I guess that's true but I want to prove to those bloody historians that art is a concept separate from politics.  Just because the latter has the power to influence, doesn't mean it's omnipotent.

[Osensitive1]

Sorry. Knew it was Binty; messed it up.

[P7PSP]

Also, I guess to fully argue this, one would have to define the concept of art, which I'm not sure is possible.

Art and power are both abstract nouns. There's no right answer.

I said it, not Squiddy!

I guess that's true but I want to prove to those bloody historians that art is a concept separate from politics.  Just because the latter has the power to influence, doesn't mean it's omnipotent.

The fact that they used the term always rather than some qualifier dooms their idiotic premise.

[lutra]

Totally bizarre most of the class think that it is subservient to power. Pretty sure in general it's not.

[lutra]

Um, went too b/w there, I reckon.. (surry)

Yes, there's art made to 'serve' a buyer and it might be quite brilliant.. but there's also art made out of the intrinsic urge an artist has to do so. They need that type of expression.. whatever the outside world thinks of the works later on.

Some followed an ideal. Impressionism had the adage: none of them fuckin' rules, classic art should go by and telling me how I should paint, I take seriously. What's nice, what's approved of, with the in-crowd?

FUCK 'M.

Well, don't think Vincent van Gogh and his paintings are subservient to any power that be. Okay, he wasn't that sane maybe but he made some paintings only the biggest of fools wouldn't consider art.

Claude Monet, his works, subservient to power?

[Binty]

 

['andersom']

One could say that Power will never hesitate to use Art, either as a promoting of their power, or as a way of scapegoating. 

The connecting of Art and Power in many cases comes from the side of Power. Also when it is about the intrinsic Art Lutra talks about.

The original debating sentence remains bollocks.

[Squidusa]

One could say that Power will never hesitate to use Art, either as a promoting of their power, or as a way of scapegoating. 

 

Power must use propaganda to increase their potential , propaganda is a VERY important thing for power, to play devils advocate , you could say that this therefore means power is actually RELIANT on art and therefore completely subservient to it. 

[Binty]

You guys rule 

['andersom']

One could say that Power will never hesitate to use Art, either as a promoting of their power, or as a way of scapegoating. 

 

Power must use propaganda to increase their potential , propaganda is a VERY important thing for power, to play devils advocate , you could say that this therefore means power is actually RELIANT on art and therefore completely subservient to it. 

Damn, I tried to be really careful to not say that.   :lol:

['andersom']

You guys rule 

 

[Squidusa]

One could say that Power will never hesitate to use Art, either as a promoting of their power, or as a way of scapegoating. 

 

Power must use propaganda to increase their potential , propaganda is a VERY important thing for power, to play devils advocate , you could say that this therefore means power is actually RELIANT on art and therefore completely subservient to it. 

Damn, I tried to be really careful to not say that.   :lol:

Oops , my bad.  :lol: 

['andersom']

One could say that Power will never hesitate to use Art, either as a promoting of their power, or as a way of scapegoating. 

 

Power must use propaganda to increase their potential , propaganda is a VERY important thing for power, to play devils advocate , you could say that this therefore means power is actually RELIANT on art and therefore completely subservient to it. 

Damn, I tried to be really careful to not say that.   :lol:

Oops , my bad.  :lol: 

Just funny. 

["couldbecousin"]

You guys rule 

 

 Thankyouverymuch!