I had a dream! tonight

[ZEGH8578]

i rarely talk _about myself_
but im not "political"
my "title" below my name is an obvious tongue-in-cheek series of deliberate contradictions.
i still observe the world around me, out of a genuine interest to pay attention, and thus, i form opinions.

/enough about me :b

[Osensitive1]

Thanks for explaining that, schleed. For a moment it sounded like you were attacking yourself as well as others for receiving benefits. Voting, trying to be informed, and having an opinion, is about as far as a lot of people go in being politically active. That seems acceptable.

[midlifeaspie]

 

I am bored by this conversation, so I am better than everyone participating 

[Scrapheap]

What's worse is Christians and Muslime who WANT the end of the world to happen.

[ZEGH8578]

What's worse is Christians and Muslime who WANT the end of the world to happen.

ah, on topic!

yeah, but the end of the world is very big, and to them, its all about jesus. im more worried about those who want "more mundane" wars and atrocities around themselves.
like when breivik killed those 70+ teens at utøya, i wonder hooow many norwegians who thought "fucking awesome" secretly to themselves. out of 5 million, i dont think 5 000 would be too high a potential number.

['Butterflies']

What's worse is Christians and Muslime who WANT the end of the world to happen.

ah, on topic!

yeah, but the end of the world is very big, and to them, its all about jesus. im more worried about those who want "more mundane" wars and atrocities around themselves.
like when breivik killed those 70+ teens at utøya, i wonder hooow many norwegians who thought "fucking awesome" secretly to themselves. out of 5 million, i dont think 5 000 would be too high a potential number.

A while back, you seemed quite supportive of the IRAs efforts. Why are their atrocites acceptable?

[ZEGH8578]

What's worse is Christians and Muslime who WANT the end of the world to happen.

ah, on topic!

yeah, but the end of the world is very big, and to them, its all about jesus. im more worried about those who want "more mundane" wars and atrocities around themselves.
like when breivik killed those 70+ teens at utøya, i wonder hooow many norwegians who thought "fucking awesome" secretly to themselves. out of 5 million, i dont think 5 000 would be too high a potential number.

A while back, you seemed quite supportive of the IRAs efforts. Why are their atrocites acceptable?

i tend to "look the other way" to operations that are aimed at countries militaries or police.
im not against resistance, any peoples who have a cause, and choose to do it "by the book", as in, targeting government forces, military bases, etc.
neither the ira or eta has made any significant effort in conciously going after and massacring civilians.
the world isnt all-or-nothing. even some wars are more acceptable than others as well.

['Butterflies']

What's worse is Christians and Muslime who WANT the end of the world to happen.

ah, on topic!

yeah, but the end of the world is very big, and to them, its all about jesus. im more worried about those who want "more mundane" wars and atrocities around themselves.
like when breivik killed those 70+ teens at utøya, i wonder hooow many norwegians who thought "fucking awesome" secretly to themselves. out of 5 million, i dont think 5 000 would be too high a potential number.

A while back, you seemed quite supportive of the IRAs efforts. Why are their atrocites acceptable?

i tend to "look the other way" to operations that are aimed at countries militaries or police.
im not against resistance, any peoples who have a cause, and choose to do it "by the book", as in, targeting government forces, military bases, etc.
neither the ira or eta has made any significant effort in conciously going after and massacring civilians.
the world isnt all-or-nothing. even some wars are more acceptable than others as well.

 

Seriously dude


You really should try and learn a little bit about the IRA, and more recently, the PIRA and the RIRA before you choose to "look the other way"

The IRA, and its splinter groups have happily targetted civilians, although they have stated that it is better to kill police or army.

The Omagh bombing was a car bomb attack carried out by the Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA), a splinter group of former Provisional Irish Republican Army members opposed to the Belfast Agreement, on Saturday 15 August 1998, in Omagh, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland.[7] Twenty-nine people died as a result of the attack and approximately 220 people were injured.[3][4][5][6][10] The attack was described by the BBC as "Northern Ireland's worst single terrorist atrocity" and by the British Prime Minister, Tony Blair, as an "appalling act of savagery and evil".[9] Sinn Féin leaders Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness condemned the attack and the RIRA itself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omagh_bombing

The La Mon restaurant bombing was an incendiary bomb attack by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) on 17 February 1978. The target was a hotel/restaurant near Belfast, Northern Ireland. The IRA unit who planted the bomb tried to send warnings by telephone, but was unable to do so until nine minutes before the blast. Twelve people were killed and thirty were injured. It has been described as "one of the worst atrocities" in Northern Ireland during The Troubles.[1][2]
Twelve people were killed[4] (seven of whom were women) and a further thirty were injured, many of them critically. The dead included eleven Protestant civilians and one RUC officer. Most of the victims were members of the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motor Cycle Club, which were staging meetings in the room. Some were still receiving treatment 20 years later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Mon_restaurant_bombing

The Remembrance Day bombing (also known as the Enniskillen bombing or Poppy Day massacre[1][2]) took place on 8 November 1987 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. Eleven people were killed when a Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) bomb exploded at the town's war memorial (cenotaph) during a Remembrance Sunday ceremony – this was held to honour those who died whilst serving in the British military. The bombing has been described by the BBC as a turning point in "The Troubles", and an attack that shook the IRA "to its core".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

The 1996 Manchester bombing was an attack carried out by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) on 15 June 1996 in Manchester, England. The bomb, placed in a van on Corporation Street in the city centre, targeted the city's infrastructure and economy and caused widespread damage, estimated by insurers at £700 million (£1 billion as of 2011). Two hundred and twelve people were injured, but there were no fatalities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_bombing_by_IRA

[Frolic_Fun]

The IRA alerted authorities on their next attack in order to get civilians away from the area, and to try and kill policemen etc. I really don't think they intentionally kill civilians and to be honest I do feel the response by the authorities was deliberately slow in some events. Unionist and British soldiers stationed in N. Ireland were also guilty of killing civilians. Bloody Sunday for example, were British soldiers opened fire on protestors who were angry over discrimination over religion.

That said, I do not support the IRA or other republican movements, just pointing out that the story is not exactly black and white. Atrocities were done on both sides and it shows the subjectivity of what determines who is a terrorist and who isn't.

['Butterflies']

The IRA alerted authorities on their next attack in order to get civilians away from the area, and to try and kill policemen etc. I really don't think they intentionally kill civilians and to be honest I do feel the response by the authorities was deliberately slow in some events. Unionist and British soldiers stationed in N. Ireland were also guilty of killing civilians. Bloody Sunday for example, were British soldiers opened fire on protestors who were angry over discrimination over religion.

That said, I do not support the IRA or other republican movements, just pointing out that the story is not exactly black and white. Atrocities were done on both sides and it shows that the subjectivity of what determines who is a terrorist and who isn't.

The IRA have intentionally targetted civilians. In many cases they did give a telephone warning though.

The post-Good Friday incarnations of the IRA have had absolutely no compunction about murdering "British" civilians, and have openly admitted this. My guess is that this is because the decent, honourable members of the IRA have respected the ceasefire, leaving only the most warped and bitter members to fight a war that no longer exists.
It is the role of the RIRA, and the PIRA that me and Zegh have really been disagreeing on.



There's no point telling me that there is wrong on both sides. I know this. I'm not Irish. I am totally neutral in this "war," and am equally disgusted by both sides. I know that the UVF have also targetted innocent civillians.
The only side I am on is the side of peace.

[Frolic_Fun]

To be honest I just want to nuke N. Ireland off the planet, to get it over and done with. Northerners piss me off for the most part.

(I'll probably keep Newry intact.... for Jessops)

['Butterflies']

To be honest I just want to nuke N. Ireland off the planet, to get it over and done with. Northerners piss me off for the most part.

(I'll probably keep Newry intact.... for Jessops)

I don't blame you. If it wasn't for the fact thaat I had to live in this backwards cesspit of hatred, I'd be happy to nuke the place.

It just makes me want to puke when I read about foreigners who know fuck all about the Republican groups, and have no idea what damage they're doing to this country, talk about being supportive of them.

[midlifeaspie]

They are a semi-heroic theme in American movies and television 

[Frolic_Fun]

To be honest I just want to nuke N. Ireland off the planet, to get it over and done with. Northerners piss me off for the most part.

(I'll probably keep Newry intact.... for Jessops)

I don't blame you. If it wasn't for the fact thaat I had to live in this backwards cesspit of hatred, I'd be happy to nuke the place.

It just makes me want to puke when I read about foreigners who know fuck all about the Republican groups, and have no idea what damage they're doing to this country, talk about being supportive of them.

At least you have some knowledge on it. Most people in the UK don't even have a clue on what went on, mostly the English. I often hear them claim they were completely innocent and that every Irish person supported the IRA, or look down on it as some silly little skirmish. The British soldiers stationed there, the IRA etc. know right well it was more than some "skirmish", it was outright war that affected everyone.

['Butterflies']

To be honest I just want to nuke N. Ireland off the planet, to get it over and done with. Northerners piss me off for the most part.

(I'll probably keep Newry intact.... for Jessops)

I don't blame you. If it wasn't for the fact thaat I had to live in this backwards cesspit of hatred, I'd be happy to nuke the place.

It just makes me want to puke when I read about foreigners who know fuck all about the Republican groups, and have no idea what damage they're doing to this country, talk about being supportive of them.

At least you have some knowledge on it. Most people in the UK don't even have a clue on what went on, mostly the English. I often hear them claim they were completely innocent and that every Irish person supported the IRA, or look down on it as some silly little skirmish. The British soldiers stationed there, the IRA etc. know right well it was more than some "skirmish", it was outright war that affected everyone.

Scotland is different. We have a huge ammount of Irish from both sides in Scotland, especially in the areas around Glasgow. We have the stupid sectarian marches, and obviously Rangers and Celtic. I think it's always been closer to home for us, than for the English. As well as the fact that the Proddys in N.Ireland, quite insultingly IMO, try and claim their culture to be "Ulster-Scots". 

They are a semi-heroic theme in American movies and television 

I know. They were regularly allowed to hold fund-raising events, and enjoyed a reasonable ammount of support in America, up until 9/11 when America decided it didn't like terrorism any more.

Truth is, the "old IRA" started out with a lot of justification. As the years have went by, they've lost their justification. Now, they have none. They're simply stopping an underdeveloped country from properly healing itself.