terrorist attack in oslo

[ZEGH8578]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

That doesn't necessarily mean that he was tactically proficient. Was he ex-military by any chance??

none. he felt "no loyalty" to the "cultural-marxist" gvt of norway 
he does however go into great _theoretical_ detail, when it comes to tactics and strategy, emphasizing the importance of preparation, and clearly, this was extremely well prepared.
again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack

[Scrapheap]

again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack

Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.

I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.

[ZEGH8578]

again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack

Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.

I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.

my point is - he trained himself, fanatically, physically, mentally, tactically.
imo, he was on par with someone with at least basic military training + a lot of tactical theoretic knowledge:
he was much better prepared than your average palestinian boy (ironically, the palestinian boy has ten times the bawls between his legs)

we know how fragile and unpredictable an armed confrontation could be. i CAN imagine this guy being able to give swat at least some nerves, if he didnt surrender, but all in all, he wouldnt be able to survive had it come to that - and he knew it - he surrendered out of doubt and fear (since he promised martyrdom)

he is a rare example of someone who isnt "just a bozo", and we should recognize it as such - in order to not "underestimate the enemy" so to speak. this guy was VERY well prepared. his bombs _went off_, to spectacular effect. his location was very wisely chosen, for the maximum horrifying effect (instead of random, or rushedly chosen)
he stuffed nicotine into his dum-dum bullets
and out of 500, he managed to hit 150, and kill (now downcounted) to over 70

its important to recognize this level of preparation, as a reminder to us, that this was 1 guy. in the UK similar minded people in forums brandish RPG's they have aquired. naturally, 99,9% of these brag, show guns, and in very worst case will blow up some warehouse or something,
but this guy went faaar beyond that, and in his "manifesto" explains numerous examples of much heavyer operations.
OF COURSE, "who doesnt?", like, endless movie-writers, fiction-writers etc are well capable of imagining, and writing about fictional military operations that have a chance of theoretic success

im still suspecting he has written all this down, hoping to manipulate likeminded who read it into believing there IS an organization (which doesnt exist) to commend them when the "future civil war" comes and ends

again, not "some bozo", but clearly narcissistic, megalomaniac and enormously self controlled (paradoxally, as imo he SHOULD have controlled himself to snap the fuck out of it)

[luciaelizabeth]

Why the fuck attack Norway

I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog..

But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3

[ZEGH8578]

Why the fuck attack Norway

I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog..

But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3

you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right?
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"

[luciaelizabeth]

Why the fuck attack Norway

I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog..

But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3

you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right?
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"

according to DN he was against multiculturalism, but he was german? NICE LOGIC THAR.

It was so sad when the pm was crying on tv :/

[Peter]

I found a post from a Utoya survivor on a forum that I occasionally visit:

http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065

[ZEGH8578]

Why the fuck attack Norway

I know, what did norway ever do to anyone? it's like kicking the dog..

But in all seriousness. Lots of love to norway <3 <3 <3 <3

you DO know it was a home-bred terrorist right?
norway didnt "do anything to anyone", rather, he felt betrayed by "his own"

according to DN he was against multiculturalism, but he was german? NICE LOGIC THAR.

It was so sad when the pm was crying on tv :/

hes not german...

look. i demand you at least look up the wikipedia article on him, before making any further erroneous statements
"ah well, at least he's a redhead!"
"no he isnt :S"
"weird. the bbc said he was. ah well, at least hes not gonna last long in prison, with a wooden leg!"
"he doesnt have a wooden leg :S"
"oh... weird... well, at least he wont need his teeth there "
"he has all his teeth :S"
"oh... "

hes home bred, pure norwegian, norwegian as it gets, and attacked fellow norwegians.
his aim was
1. to destroy the future generation of arbeiderpartimembers
2. inspire/incite a chain reaction of similar attacks
3. cause a european civil war by 2020 (no less)

[ZEGH8578]

I found a post from a Utoya survivor on a forum that I occasionally visit:

http://www.leagueofreason.co.uk//viewtopic.php?f=16&t=8065

thanx for the link, intense reading :I

i absolutely love that he asks people NOT to talk about "archangels" or "angel guardians" as we call them here, as he finds it insulting to those who died. ive often thought of that before, how can a surviver attribute their luck to gods and angels? it implies that everyone who died werent deserving of gods and angels.
he survived thanx to the effort of people.

[midlifeaspie]

And so the political cartoons begin.



What does that even mean? 

[Parts]

And so the political cartoons begin.



What does that even mean? 

That's a weird one 

[Scrapheap]

again with strong paralels to the oklahoma bombing, in which also a single person went through with maticulous preparations, to quite a devastating (and tactically successful) attack

Yes, but Timothy McVeigh was ex-special forces. He was professionally trained, and this bozo wasn't.

I'm sure any former soldier civilian with a gun could've taken him down.

my point is - he trained himself, fanatically, physically, mentally, tactically.
imo, he was on par with someone with at least basic military training + a lot of tactical theoretic knowledge:
he was much better prepared than your average palestinian boy (ironically, the palestinian boy has ten times the bawls between his legs)

we know how fragile and unpredictable an armed confrontation could be. i CAN imagine this guy being able to give swat at least some nerves, if he didnt surrender, but all in all, he wouldnt be able to survive had it come to that - and he knew it - he surrendered out of doubt and fear (since he promised martyrdom)

he is a rare example of someone who isnt "just a bozo", and we should recognize it as such - in order to not "underestimate the enemy" so to speak. this guy was VERY well prepared. his bombs _went off_, to spectacular effect. his location was very wisely chosen, for the maximum horrifying effect (instead of random, or rushedly chosen)
he stuffed nicotine into his dum-dum bullets
and out of 500, he managed to hit 150, and kill (now downcounted) to over 70

its important to recognize this level of preparation, as a reminder to us, that this was 1 guy. in the UK similar minded people in forums brandish RPG's they have aquired. naturally, 99,9% of these brag, show guns, and in very worst case will blow up some warehouse or something,
but this guy went faaar beyond that, and in his "manifesto" explains numerous examples of much heavyer operations.
OF COURSE, "who doesnt?", like, endless movie-writers, fiction-writers etc are well capable of imagining, and writing about fictional military operations that have a chance of theoretic success

im still suspecting he has written all this down, hoping to manipulate likeminded who read it into believing there IS an organization (which doesnt exist) to commend them when the "future civil war" comes and ends

again, not "some bozo", but clearly narcissistic, megalomaniac and enormously self controlled (paradoxally, as imo he SHOULD have controlled himself to snap the fuck out of it)

Well, you've obviously done your research on this guy, but it still doesn't change a thing. Fact is is that this guy never went toe to toe with a trained soldier so we can't say for certain how he would fare.
 
 I'm reminded of my encounter with the Santa Barbara County Sherrif. They charged on to the property I was on, being led by a fromer Army Staff Sergeant. They entered with their right flank totaly exposed, and if I had been armed, I could've poured fire into them without them being able to return fire. I also could've shot their chopper down, as it was flying low enough for me to hit the pilot. That would've been Scrapheap -5 Santa Barbara County Sherrif -0.
 
 What it boils down to, is that you need to have a killers instinct in addition to training, and even those who are trained can make tactical errors, such as that the County Sherrif did with me.

[luciaelizabeth]

hes not german...

I read that he was german! his dad lives in france!

[Callaway]

Well, you've obviously done your research on this guy, but it still doesn't change a thing. Fact is is that this guy never went toe to toe with a trained soldier so we can't say for certain how he would fare.
 
 I'm reminded of my encounter with the Santa Barbara County Sherrif. They charged on to the property I was on, being led by a fromer Army Staff Sergeant. They entered with their right flank totaly exposed, and if I had been armed, I could've poured fire into them without them being able to return fire. I also could've shot their chopper down, as it was flying low enough for me to hit the pilot. That would've been Scrapheap -5 Santa Barbara County Sherrif -0.
 
 What it boils down to, is that you need to have a killers instinct in addition to training, and even those who are trained can make tactical errors, such as that the County Sherrif did with me.

Wow, what did they want with you in the first place that they rushed in like that with a back-up chopper, Scrapheap?

[Scrapheap]

Wow, what did they want with you in the first place that they rushed in like that with a back-up chopper, Scrapheap?

That was the incident where I was target shooting on some Meth-freak's property. He told us to shoot in the wrong direction, there was a house near where we were shooting and the people called the Sherrifs insted of calling their neighbors to cease fire.

The Sherrifs saw it as an opportunity to grand-stand and make a big show of it. If I had my L1A1 at the time, I'd be in prision right now on 5 counts of murder.