terrorist attack in oslo

[ZEGH8578]

you guys should check out his manifesto

large parts of it (mostly the political rants) are copied, uncredited, from the unabomber,

but when it gets to the ultra-meticulous plannings, not to mention nostradamic planning for europe and the world even, its absolutely... tiresome...
its almost painful the AMMOUNT of detail this guy has lined up, for hundreds and hundreds and huuundreds of pages, for such a delusion. one pattern, is that it all culminates to his word: And this means the muslims will fuck us over! but in between those conclusions, there are hundreds of pages of what ammunition to use, classification of traitor-classes, execution for everyone, coup in france by 2030, "we must then get russia on our side, that is of the utmost importance!" yes yes why not, he throws china in too, and by 2030 mind you, its all planned up!

it continues, theres endless instructions for weaponry, how to buy, where to avoid, what cost to expect, how to balance an affordable weapon vs being able to surpass law enforcement weaponry
on and on...

then his journals, day by day, hes like a happy boy-scout, reporting on his bomb making, EXTREMELY meticulous, he presents calculations to explain the plain logic of why he must work completely alone, and he had some sort of plan on how to keep delaying any visits from family or friends

i spotted one journal entry, where he was absolutely delighted at a box he had bought, to hide his armor in the woods. that this box had withstood weather, he was sure it would even withstand permafrost, and he was enormously excited about it.
wtf...

this guy lived and breathed nothing but this vision of his
the perfection he put into it... is terrifying

[midlifeaspie]

Hopefully that is not enough to get him off the hook as "mentally ill" - which he obviously was.

[ZEGH8578]

Hopefully that is not enough to get him off the hook as "mentally ill" - which he obviously was.

mentally ill as maybe sociopathic.
i wouldnt be too surprised if he is aspie, judging by his manifesto, which is as if written by an android, at times...
aspie, sociopath, christian-right-wing-extremist, with THAT conviction - of all convictions to pursuit, quite litterally one in seven billion, poof

his manifesto ranges from completely ludicrous and raving (his political ranting) to extremely rational, when he discusses equipment and approach strategies. that what is so bone chilling about it

[Callaway]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

[ZEGH8578]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)

[The_Chosen_One]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)

Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.

[Peter]

He's probably pretty happy about the publicity his manifesto is getting.

[midlifeaspie]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)

Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.

He knew right from wrong so he wasn't insane, but he was certainly mentally ill.  You don't shoot 60 children unless something is seriously wrong with you.

[Parts]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)

Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.

He knew right from wrong so he wasn't insane, but he was certainly mentally ill.  You don't shoot 60 children unless something is seriously wrong with you.

And they should find out what by any means to help stop this in the future.

[ZEGH8578]

Peter, yes, but it gives invaluable insight.

He tells of meeting with secretive individuals abroad, when he was as young as 21-22. these included serb war veterans, who had "slain many a muslim!",
these are who tell him of the future plans of europe
(so, in reality we have a bunch of raggedy unemployed angry people, ranting about future world hegemony)
and he leaves that meeting, INTENT... on making this plan a reality

its more than possible, that he took way too seriously, something the other ones were merely wish-ranting

parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?

[Parts]

parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?

He could be the subject of countless studies as to why this happens.  I am sure there are some biological markers or defects in his brain.  Find them even if the tests are invasive he has given up his human card and should be treated as a lab rat

[ZEGH8578]

parts, i think thats not possible. even if they could diagnose him directly, then what?

He could be the subject of countless studies as to why this happens.  I am sure there are some biological markers or defects in his brain.  Find them even if the tests are invasive he has given up his human card and should be treated as a lab rat

i doubt it tho...
its pretty damn scary tho, especially how young he was when _making his mind up_, the rest has been preparations.
its as if i _decide_ on an ideology when im 18 or something, and STILL live and die by that ideology.
NOT having done that, i have grown every year of my life since then, and learned a lot more.
tbh, had i stuck to that ideology, i woulda been a die hard stalinist or something by now, but im not. in time, i abandoned political idealism.

he had an _extreme_ idealism allready as young. he also have had very bad luck it seems, describing several confrontations w muslim youth, that ended in violence. from his point of view, he seems to believe this is a natural thing, that all norwegians fistfight muslims routinely on their way to the store
it is profoundly deluded
but i dont think it can be used in any way, even if identified.

[Scrapheap]

I wish that there had been some other armed adults at that kid's camp so one of them could have blown him away and stopped the massacre.

i think your average civilian with a gun would not stand a chance against his fanatical pre planning
he drugged himself, so that he could stay cool and collected without experiencing shock, for example, he took all eventualities into account. no civilian would
in his own words, turning himself into a potential one-man army

That doesn't necessarily mean that he was tactically proficient. Was he ex-military by any chance??

what he SHOULDA done, is have some balls, and try to take a few shots at the approaching swats, instead of surrendering like a bitch - especially after bragging about martyrdom (even designing fitting gravestones)

  That would've been the only  thing he did.

[Scrapheap]

Proof that he wasn't mentally ill. He knew what the fuck he was doing.

You can still know what you're doing and be mentally ill. Look at Ted Bundy.

[ProfessorFarnsworth]

He's probably pretty happy about the publicity his manifesto is getting.

His surrender was also a act of pride in his work to ensure people knew who he was, what he did and most importantly, why he did it.