Copycat Jesus Mythicism

[ZEGH8578]

just so we're clear, you DO know im not playing with you right?

[Calavera]

You can take a break now, ZEGH. You're no longer needed.

[Pyraxis]

You can take a break now, ZEGH. You're no longer needed.

 

Ass.

Don't worry, this place, unlike certain others, is what the members make it, so if you want intellectual debate, it'll happen.

[Calavera]

You can take a break now, ZEGH. You're no longer needed.

 

Ass.

Don't worry, this place, unlike certain others, is what the members make it, so if you want intellectual debate, it'll happen.

Oh, I've seen a lot of intellectual debates here, so it's not something I'll never expect to see here or something.

In the meantime, I still have to do Egyptian mythology examination and other myths as well, but can't be stuffed posting my findings if there's no real motivation to do so. And especially if I don't bear the burden anyway.

So I'll spare you all the extremely several pages of one-sided posts. Not that I was going to ever do it anyway.

[Callaway]

You can take a break now, ZEGH. You're no longer needed.

 

Ass.

Don't worry, this place, unlike certain others, is what the members make it, so if you want intellectual debate, it'll happen.

Oh, I've seen a lot of intellectual debates here, so it's not something I'll never expect to see here or something.

In the meantime, I still have to do Egyptian mythology examination and other myths as well, but can't be stuffed posting my findings if there's no real motivation to do so. And especially if I don't bear the burden anyway.

So I'll spare you all the extremely several pages of one-sided posts. Not that I was going to ever do it anyway.

I would be interested to know if there was any real evidence that Jesus actually came from Ra in some way and wasn't a real person.  When  I tried to look for myself, I found that name you were talking about, Acharya S/D.M. Murdock:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christinegypt.html

I remember seeing a program on the History Channel which said that many art historians believe that the early paintings of Jesus were based on the facial features of Zeus' statue, but unfortunately I can't remember which program it was.

I think this might be a clip from the show that I saw:

[lutra]

I don't think ZEGH wasn't that far off.. well, if you replace jesus with god (you know, the mono-theistic christian dude), I could agree then. Lot of believes that were common prae-christianity were absorbed into christianity. No doubt that happened.

The deluded idea that someone has to 'justify' his life after his/her death comes from the old Egyptian believe that one meets Osiris then and he determines whether someone can go to heaven or, less fortunate,  to the underworld. The assumption that one will rise and the soul would return to the body later on, like the old Egyptians did (they mummificated bodies cos of this believe), might be copy/pasted too.. to juice up jesus' mystification.

Personally I believe Jesus did live once but to me he was just a human being. Ja, with some pretty bizarre and crazy ideas. 'God created everything and ja.. I'm his son.. follow me'.

I thank my dad (and granddad) that they made me look very skeptical towards religion. Don't think I ever believed in a god.

[Calavera]

I would be interested to know if there was any real evidence that Jesus actually came from Ra in some way and wasn't a real person. When I tried to look for myself, I found that name you were talking about, Acharya S/D.M. Murdock:

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/christinegypt.html

Stellar House Publishing, from what I remember reading, is Acharya's own publishing company. She publishes her own books if not mistaken.

As for whether Jesus came from Ra or not, none of the primary Egyptian texts we have suggest this even remotely. The problem with me trying to prove this is that it would require me posting pages of ancient Egyptian texts just to show the readers (who'll have to read them themselves!) that there is no pre-Jesus Gospel in any of those texts. Same with ancient Greek and Roman mythology and Norse mythology and so on.

It'd be much easier if the opposite side (I don't necessarily mean you, ZEGH) were to just post the relevant text from these sources providing evidence that there's a Gospel link or any remarkable link between Jesus and Ra (or Horus or Osiris).

But, honestly, I really really doubt there is (99% sure there isn't) as it would mean there's a conspiracy going on among all the historians (among whom are secular ones) and experts in other relevant fields who refuse to publicize these controversial passages in mainstream encyclopedias and such.

It's just not likely that Jesus was copied from prior characters due to what the evidence suggests to us.

I remember seeing a program on the History Channel which said that many art historians believe that the early paintings of Jesus were based on the facial features of Zeus' statue, but unfortunately I can't remember which program it was.

I think this might be a clip from the show that I saw:

But we don't really know what Jesus looked like anyway. None of the primary sources for Jesus describe his facial features as far as I can recall just now.

As for the earliest paintings of Jesus, assuming the facial features were copied from Zeus, it could mean anything. Maybe the artists never knowing what Jesus himself ever looked like thought "Hey, I would imagine him to have looked like the Zeus portrayed by the Greeks. Let's draw his face like that." or "Let's attract the pagans by making out to be like their Zeus."

I don't know really and don't have much knowledge in this specific area.

[Calavera]

Just saw the video. I actually agree with the probability that the legendary Jesus (not the historical one) is based on Greeks/Roman concepts in myths and legends.

That is the nature of religion. It evolves and borrows elements from prior religions, but always, there should be evidence to point to any specific connection or link between two specific religions or whatever. Otherwise, we should never boldly make claims if there's no evidence to back them up (that is the big mistake Acharya S herself makes).

[Calavera]

I don't think ZEGH wasn't that far off.. well, if you replace jesus with god (you know, the mono-theistic christian dude), I could agree then. Lot of believes that were common prae-christianity were absorbed into christianity. No doubt that happened.

The deluded idea that someone has to 'justify' his life after his/her death comes from the old Egyptian believe that one meets Osiris then and he determines whether someone can go to heaven or, less fortunate,  to the underworld. The assumption that one will rise and the soul would return to the body later on, like the old Egyptians did (they mummificated bodies cos of this believe), might be copy/pasted too.. to juice up jesus' mystification.

Personally I believe Jesus did live once but to me he was just a human being. Ja, with some pretty bizarre and crazy ideas. 'God created everything and ja.. I'm his son.. follow me'.

I thank my dad (and granddad) that they made me look very skeptical towards religion. Don't think I ever believed in a god.

You make some good points here. I don't actually disagree with what you said here.

Religions do evolve and borrow, but new ones also come up with original ideas based on the situation and circumstance and environment and related historical events.

[lutra]

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Well, surry.. but I, um, disagree with my own previous post. The juice up and adding mystification bit.. yeah, might be incorrect.

Probably early christians (plus the Bible's story writers (NT) and clergy of course) actually heart-deep believed he arose from the death. I portrayed it as an almost deliberate vicious thing to let people believe that but probs more correctly would be that folks back then were just very superstitious and.. ignorant basically.

Not sure though.

[Calavera]

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Well, surry.. but I, um, disagree with my own previous post. The juice up and adding mystification bit.. yeah, might be incorrect.

Probably early christians (plus the Bible's story writers (NT) and clergy of course) actually heart-deep believed he arose from the death. I portrayed it as an almost deliberate vicious thing to let people believe that but probs more correctly would be that folks back then were just very superstitious and.. ignorant basically.

Not sure though.

That's a good topic to discuss. Jesus was believed to be the true Messiah by his disciples, so when he got crucified and killed, it was a very big disappointment for them. They had to rationalize how their supposedly true Messiah could've failed and died without having them saved from the Romans.

So psychological factors came into play leading to some mass delusion (gradual) that Jesus rose from the dead. The more it was spread around, the easier it was to believe.

And, as you said, it just so happens they were very superstitious. I mean, even in my home village in Lebanon, we had many villagers believing the Virgin Mary appeared to all the villagers. And even I for a while believed she appeared ... even though I never saw her myself. It's just, as a clueless uncritical easily suggestible child, I went along with that they all believed, especially that "miracles" were happening in the local church at the time. So why shouldn't I believe like them? That's what you call mass delusion.

[Parts]

You blasphemer it is a miracle. She even appears on toast how can you not believe

[MutieTom]

I've never understood why christian-debunkers go crazy revealing the origins of the dates of Christmas and Easter like it's some Da Vinci Code bombshell.  I thought it was common knowledge even among Christians those dates were opted from older pagan festivals.  I grew up Christian and even I knew it as a kid.  The dates are not in the bible so why would anyone care.

[Yuri Bezmenov]

is this how you conduct all your conversations?
you must be a horrendous pain in the ass to be around.

Is this how respond to someone showing you up as an idiot??

Must suck to be you! 

[ZEGH8578]

is this how you conduct all your conversations?
you must be a horrendous pain in the ass to be around.

Is this how respond to someone showing you up as an idiot??

Must suck to be you! 

Good conservative Scrappy, digs up a 3 year old post, in order to make a point that Jesus is a historical person.
That was the argument, in case you didn't realize. You call me an idiot, for saying Jesus is an amalgam of myths, and not a real person.

Don't bother counter-arguing, you can find all my arguments in this thread.

Idiot.