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« on: November 02, 2006, 08:09:52 PM »
...LOVES stories like this!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/ap_on_re_us/haggard_sex_allegations

Key Evangelical quits amid gay sex claim

By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The leader of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals, a vocal opponent of same-sex marriage, resigned Thursday after being accused of paying for sex with a man in monthly trysts over the past three years.

The Rev. Ted Haggard, a married father of five who has been called one of the most influential evangelical Christians in the nation, denied the allegations. His accuser refused to share voice mails that he said backed up his claim.

Haggard also stepped aside as head of his 14,000-member New Life Church while a church panel investigates, saying he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

"I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity," Haggard said in a written statement. "I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date."

He also told KUSA-TV late Wednesday: "Never had a gay relationship with anybody, and I'm steady with my wife, I'm faithful to my wife."

The allegations come as voters in Colorado and seven other states get ready to decide Tuesday on amendments banning gay marriage. Besides the proposed ban on the Colorado ballot, a separate measure would establish the legality of domestic partnerships providing same-sex couples with many of the rights of married couples.

Mike Jones, 49, of Denver told The Associated Press he decided to go public with his allegations because of the political fight. Jones, who said he is gay, said he was upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," said Jones, who added that he isn't working for any political group.

Jones, whose allegations were first aired on KHOW-AM radio in Denver, claimed Haggard paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience.

Haggard and his attorney, Martin Nussbaum, did not return calls Thursday night from the AP.

Jones said that he had advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and that a man who called himself Art contacted him. Jones said he later saw the man on television identified as Haggard.

He said that he last had sex with Haggard in August and that he did not warn him before making his allegations this week.

Jones said he has voice mail messages from Haggard, as well as an envelope he said Haggard used to mail him cash, though he declined to make any of it available to the AP.

"There's some stuff on there (the voice mails) that's pretty damning," he said.

Haggard, who is about 50, was appointed president of the evangelicals association in March 2003. He has participated in conservative Christian leaders' conference calls with White House staffers and lobbied members of Congress last year on
U.S. Supreme Court appointees after
Sandra Day O'Connor announced her retirement.

After Massachusetts legalized gay marriage in 2004, Haggard and others began organizing state-by-state opposition. Last year, Haggard and officials from the nearby Christian ministry Focus on the Family announced plans to push Colorado's gay marriage ban for the 2006 ballot.

At the time, Haggard said that he believed marriage is a union between a man and woman rooted in centuries of tradition, and that research shows it's the best family unit for children.

"Homosexual activity, like adulterous relationships, is clearly condemned in the Scriptures," the evangelicals association says on its Web site. The Bible says homosexuality is a sin that "brings grave consequences in this life and excludes one from the Kingdom of God."

Haggard's resignation from the NAE seems unlikely to do lasting damage to the organization, an umbrella group for a diverse and independent-minded membership. At his own church, Haggard's decision to step aside — if it became permanent — would have a more profound effect.

"One would hope and pray that this matter would be resolved expeditiously and quickly and he can be restored back to being the pastor of the church and the leader of the NAE," said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative Washington think tank.

New Life Church member Brooks DeMio, 44, said he thinks Jones is a liar and can't believe Haggard would engage in sex with a man.

"He loves the Lord, homosexuality is a sin and that's not Ted," DeMio said. "His desire is to serve other people and uphold the word of God. ... I don't know him well enough to give a complete character description, but I know him enough to know it's not true."

Carolyn Haggard, spokeswoman for the New Life Church and the pastor's niece, said a four-member church panel will investigate the allegations. The board has the authority to discipline Haggard, including removing him from ministry work.

"This is really routine when any sort of situation like this arises, so we're prepared," Carolyn Haggard said. "The church is going to continue to serve and be welcoming to our community. That's a priority."

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Associated Press writers Dan Elliott in Denver and Rachel Zoll in New York contributed to this report.

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2006, 08:21:53 PM »
did you also enjoy the priesthood NAMBLA type stories?
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Re: the evil part of me...
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2006, 08:26:23 PM »
Makes ya wonder, are they in this "we hate gays" biz for their religion or is it because they seek power or have deep seated sexual issues. I really cannot tell which one it is, maybe it is a combo?

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2006, 08:33:57 PM »
Having been around these people, I believe it is power.

McJ I was horrified by the gay and/or pedophile priest molestations but if they had been screwing around with consenting adults I would have l-o-v-e-d it :green:.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2006, 10:02:51 PM »
I wouldn't call that evil.  I would call that shadenfrued, a healthy emotion for a mentally healthy adult.
And as always, these are simply my worthless opinions.
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Re: the evil part of me...
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2006, 04:54:25 PM »
The evil side of me isn't really entertained by this, I just feel pity that someone can be so hypocritical like this
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Re: the evil part of me...
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2006, 07:48:04 PM »
I read about this earlier today this did not surprise Me one bit either. For the more You are against something sometimes You do them too.
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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2007, 08:23:21 PM »
I read about this earlier today this did not surprise Me one bit either. For the more You are against something sometimes You do them too.

The evil side of me is looking forward to an orgy between HG, Omega Female, Duncvis, Peter, Odeon and Robert being posted on youtube.  :evillaugh:

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2007, 08:26:06 PM »
I read about this earlier today this did not surprise Me one bit either. For the more You are against something sometimes You do them too.

The evil side of me is looking forward to an orgy between HG, Omega Female, Duncvis, Peter, Odeon and Robert being posted on youtube.  :evillaugh:

RobertN would have to be the videographer since he just premature ejaculated.
oooops.

but he may be able to join in the end.
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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2007, 08:34:29 PM »
RobertN would have to be the videographer since he just premature ejaculated.
oooops.

but he may be able to join in the end.

Your end in the end.

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2007, 08:35:40 PM »
RobertN would have to be the videographer since he just premature ejaculated.
oooops.

but he may be able to join in the end.

Your end in the end.
whoa there, Ho!
i am having no part of this orgy.  i am completely nutted for servicing all the women in flo's life.  i have no reserves.
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Re: the evil part of me...
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2007, 08:37:44 PM »
  i have no reserves.

On the brightside, you dont need to worry about being hunted down by any bush.

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2007, 08:41:47 PM »
  i have no reserves.

On the brightside, you dont need to worry about being hunted down by any bush.
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good stuff emo.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2007, 05:01:09 AM »
I read about this earlier today this did not surprise Me one bit either. For the more You are against something sometimes You do them too.

The evil side of me is looking forward to an orgy between HG, Omega Female, Duncvis, Peter, Odeon and Robert being posted on youtube.  :evillaugh:

The evil side of me is wondering if shemale porn would be pushing things too far even for youtube.  >:D

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2007, 06:21:19 AM »
I read about this earlier today this did not surprise Me one bit either. For the more You are against something sometimes You do them too.

The evil side of me is looking forward to an orgy between HG, Omega Female, Duncvis, Peter, Odeon and Robert being posted on youtube.  :evillaugh:

The evil side of me is wondering if shemale porn would be pushing things too far even for youtube.  >:D

ouch.  that one hurt even me.
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